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Enough is enough. Please read.

Everyone please refrain from personal attacks and insults. We all can have disscusions and debates over things like Anime vs Western animation and 3D vs Traditional animation, but please keep it civil.

Debate your points. Present your facts. Lay down your oppinions. Just please, respect other peoples views. They have every right to hate something just as much as you love it. That's what makes this world interesting.

However, I will not tollerate any more personal attacks on the boards. I will give you a warning, and if it continues I will lock the post. If it continues further, I will warn you again and if it persists, I will start deleting your posts and threads. I really don't want to do this, as I feel it's better to be exposed to many different views, but recent activity has made this post necessary. I don't want to turn into big brother. I'd much rather just delete spam postings and move treads to their appropriate forums.

Thank you all for reading this.

the Ape

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...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

yikes

It looks like the reason I chose AWN two and a half years ago, over all other animation forums - the laissez-faire attitude - has just disappeared.

Mt Attitude is....

Hello.

Hopefully everyone can refrain from attacks-what I usually do is just delete the post and edit it blank...

APE, Please let me know if you need help?

Thanks dude....

By the way...

Hello.

By the way...since this forum is so huge and has so many threads-folks can send us Ape or myself an email or private message so we can go look and see what's happening.

THANKS TO ALL OF THOSE FOLKS - who are helping out....

Best,:D

C'mon. I just read that kid's meltdown, this board needs more flamewars like that to keep it interesting.

You're all pansies.

C'mon. I just read that kid's meltdown, this board needs more flamewars like that to keep it interesting.

You're all pansies.

Check it out: I've invented something this board can use to avoid similar situations in the future.

Say... you don't suppose I'm setting that off, do you?! :o

I agree with Richard. I'm a pansy.

Wait - did I just personally attack myself? I guess I need to be banned. :(

But if you're a pansy, then you wouldn't be attacking anyone...

I'm not attacking anybody, you stupid idiot.

Conflict makes this site interesting sometimes. If "someone" acts a little retarded it's not surprising when he/she gets a little flack. I'd say let it ride...

My only problem is when it gets to the point of a double-standard. I don't think anyone has a serious problem with the stories that might be told by some members, I think they take issue with weight* getting thrown around and people getting harped on arbitrarily (it's not like it's limited to just the Cafe). That's what they don't want going unchecked.

If posters want to ridicule people or question their character then it's reasonable to expect retaliation.

*Whether the weight is real or not.

This guy is far from a harmless prankster. He is conning people like the poor, gullible Haredevil.

I wanted to respond to this statement but the damn thread's closed. So, I'll have to do it here.

I was not simplistically duped by Dark Angel. I just figured I'd 'zag' while everyone else was 'zigging'. If this guy is for real then a kind word would look great amidst this sea of negativity surrounding him. But, if he is indeed lying, then the worst thing that happened was I showed a regular joe blow a film I made. It's not like I gave him my home address accompanied with the times I'm away from home or my PIN number or anything. I had potentially much to gain and definitely nothing to lose. Really, any oppurtunity is a good one (unless the guy says "gain experience in lieu of pay", then it's chuck you, farlie. :p ).

Also, for the record, Bob Clampett was also prone to embellishment when it came to describing his work and career. If he were alive and had an account on this board I'm sure he'd be telling us fabulous yet seemingly implausible tales as well. Does that make him less of a brilliant artist?

Like DSB said earlier, if this guy is what he says he is, good for him. If not, it was a fun story but put a beanstalk in it next time. It makes for better reading. :D

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I take issue with the "personal attack" accusation.
Some stupid kid (Dark Angel) came on here pretending to be an animation executive. He tried to make phony production deals. Animators on this forum were applying to him for jobs and he was casting them aside.
We defended our beloved brothers and sisters against a con-man, and now we're being accused of making personal attacks. It's ridiculous.

P.S. Dark Angel, if it turns out that you truly are a 17-year-old student-slash-animation executive with the WB network who has six college degrees, do you have a job for me? I can type 50-words-a-minute and make a mean cup of coffee.

well personal attacks are allright as long as it dosent get into mudslinging. i apologise for my bits on the DDA threads but i couldnt help it. There was just too much crap going around.

Integrity and sincerity are two really valuable traits for a person to have.
Once its found that a person is something other than what they say, all trust and respect go flying out the window.
Why should any self-respecting person humour a non-self respecting person at all?
Hey, if a person admits they made a mistake, takes ownership of their actions and proceeds from a new tact of sincerity, then I can cut them some slack, BUT.........trust can take a long time to build.
Throwing criticism at someone because they've not only been dishonest, but downright deceitful, and irresponsible..........hey, its fair game as far as i'm concerned.

The intent of these forums, as I understand them, is to provide a mature venue for discussion on animation. If a immature juvenile wants to post here masquerading as an adult, then they'll find that older posters like myself really take exception to babysitting.
Younger posters, I have no problem with, and will help to some extent--but again, I'm not going to mollycoddle anyone.

Asking a global question like "what is drawing?" is going to get a fairly cold-stare or dead-panned reponse because its a patently stupid question.
Someone asking for help with something much more specific usually gets a better overall response because the question is so focussed and takes less time to answer.

Someone like the "recent poster" isn't contributing anything by maintaining a deception and is actually wasting everyone's time. That's what some of us take exception to.

"We all grow older, we do not have to grow up"--Archie Goodwin ( 1937-1998)

So it sounds like every one is ok with whats going on here. Ok. I over reacted.

Aloha,
the Ape

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

So it sounds like every one is ok with whats going on here. Ok. I over reacted.

Aloha,
the Ape

well only slightly. i think its important that instances like this get all the airplay possible so people understand that we arent

1) messing around
2) know what is what
3) to protect anyone that might be taken in
4) to protect those that genuinely need feedback or help and get turned off by trolls.

The intent of these forums, as I understand them, is to provide a mature venue for discussion on animation.

In my opinion, using personal attacks against a fellow poster is just as immature as attention trolling.

My suggestion: If you don't like someone, put them on your ignore list. If you are worried about animators sending applications to a false employer, voice your concern in a thread directed to the moderators.

That might help the situation some.

Pooryorik

Once its found that a person is something other than what they say, all trust and respect go flying out the window.

That's the thing though, Dark Angel has never been officially proven to not be what he says he is. But, on the other hand, there's no definite proof that he is what he claims either.

This whole thing's just been back and forth repetition.

[I]Dark Angel: I'm a successful person doing amazing things and I'm only 17.

Other people: Are not. You're a fraud.

Dark Angel: Am so!

Other people: Are not!

Dark Angel: Am so so so so so!

Other people: Are not not not not not! Quit lying.

Dark Angel: I'm not lying. You guys are being dicks.

Other people: We're not being dicks. You're being a dick by lying.[/I]

And so on and so forth.

Until either Columbo, Poirot, Magnum P.I., Crocket & Tubbs, Cagney & Lacey, Jack Nicholson's character in China Town (can't think of the name right now), or the Inch High Private Eye do some super sleuthing and investigate this guys background to find out who he or she truly is, this matter won't be solved. But, until that happens, let's forget all this and get back to talking about animation.

So, who would win in a fight between Daffy Duck and Tennessee Tuxedo? :D

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Woah...
Did I miss something??
James :cool:

Some stupid kid (Dark Angel) came on here pretending to be an animation executive. He tried to make phony production deals. Animators on this forum were applying to him for jobs and he was casting them aside.
We defended our beloved brothers and sisters against a con-man, and now we're being accused of making personal attacks. It's ridiculous.

C'mon Harv; that's kinda hyperbolic, isn't it? DDA never solicited reels, promised jobs, or did anything other than make hard-to-believe claims.

Assuming what he claims about himself isn't true, he's at best a really bad liar and at worst a deeply disturbed individual. Either way, he's not going to ruin anyone's career with his stories, and he really didn't deserve the bashing he took, considering no one really took him seriously after a while. Con-man's kinda strong, isn't it?

It did give me a chuckle to see you use the term "beloved brothers and sisters" though. The thought of anyone being "beloved" to you... :D

Hey, what have I missed. Ape are you a moderator....way to go!

Pat Hacker, Visit Scooter's World.

It did give me a chuckle to see you use the term "beloved brothers and sisters" though. The thought of anyone being "beloved" to you... :D

We can't all be as callous as you, DSB. :D
Some of us can be assholes and still love our fellow members. I see no contradiction there.

Let's see if I can explain this Dark Angel thing more clearly.

If animators believe someone here is a network executive - which is what Dark Angel claimed to be - inevitably some of those animators are going to expend time, energy, and emotion making pitches and prepping portfolios for this guy, whether he directly solicits them or not. If we had left it alone, eventually Dark Angel would have had some of our more gullible members jumping through hoops and thinking that his opinion of their talents carried significantly more weight.

We can't all be as callous as you, DSB. :D
Some of us can be assholes and still love our fellow members. I see no contradiction there.

Let's see if I can explain this Dark Angel thing more clearly.

If animators believe someone here is a network executive - which is what Dark Angel claimed to be - inevitably some of those animators are going to expend time, energy, and emotion making pitches and prepping portfolios for this guy, whether he directly solicits them or not. If we had left it alone, eventually Dark Angel would have had some of our more gullible members jumping through hoops and thinking that his opinion of their talents carried significantly more weight.

besides we dont know wat went on in pm & email. he was offering me his 'show' as well. why waste other peoples time

I agree with Harvey and the rest of the group, that say if someone places their self in a situation like DA did he deserves to be questioned. I belong to a few MSN groups where the least little negative or questioning comment will get you banned. If some of us hadn't brought up some questions, this "flake" would still be posing. I don't think that's what this board is about. Protecting posers that will take the unsuspecting for a ride...not Besides it has been fun to follow the posts and see this guy outed. Haven't seen this kind of excitment since Swade and I used to get it on.

Pat Hacker, Visit Scooter's World.

Ah, Phacker and Swade duking it out.... Those halcyon days.... : )

I too believe that people making false claims should be called on it. As I mentioned before, by linking you online persona to your real-world self you are accountable for your conduct in cyberspace, and helps build a sense of trust and community, which is, after all, what we're here for.

On a lighter note, did I ever tell you all that I encouraged Walt Disney to take up his early cartooning, and single-handedly invented modern computer animation, AND the concepts of squash and stretch?*

* Bring it on. : )

Certainly makes the "W.E.D. hearts K.S." notebook liners easier to understand.

Let me be really clear - I'm not suggesting that DDA should be treated with kid gloves. Far from it; someone who makes the kind of claims he did deserves to be asked to put up or shut up.

It's the piling on that bothered me after a while. I don't see what good hammering him mercilessly does, especially once it became obvious that the guy was all show and no go. And let's not forget that I include myself as a guy who did some of the hammering.

That's all; I'm done now.

Ah, Phacker and Swade duking it out.... Those halcyon days.... : )

* Bring it on. : )

Hehehe. This is the first i am seeing of this thread, and just noticed that i got an honourable mention! Just a small correction... Phacker did not say "since we duked it out...". He/She said, "Since we used to get it on...".

Never forget Paris, Phacker, and the magic we had that summer. ;)

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Please......Listen

I am ashamed for the less than honourable claims I have made, I do want to extend my sincerest apolagies to all who were involved in the thread..."Enough"
I took the flaring and never gave up.....now I just want to continue being a member here and meet new people who share the same passion as I.
Thank you all for not sitting still, because of it:
1- I am a stronger person, I have never had this severe a verbal fight with any one before, usually I just beef, like any normal teen ager.
2- I am creating a new concept called-CHRONIC AORTA DE-EST-INME, which will feature the names of all who flared me in "Enough"

My claims were a bit to good to be true, but I told you to wait, I will give you the evidence to back my claims in time (do not be rash...please, no more!)
No, I do not accept reels or any other...uncelecited..pics, material or any thing that is from an individual, do get this, I am practicaly green, I cannot judge anyone's work just yet, and I am an executive on my own show:)
You had me bothered the entire day, I still can't believe that I actually let you get to me, I am dissappointed in my self, but know this I intend in the next few years to become a shark, ruthless...in that way, I will be able to earn the respect of the entire animation industry....do support me.
I am sorry to all who had to witness that....although people privately posted saying....."Finally...some drama!" well I think what I should be saying is thank you....I guess, let from this day onward this sort of behaviour never happen again...and Skinny....you need to watch the way you address people, you sometimes come across too rash....way tooo rash:eek: To settle this I say this...

And finally, the supposedly 17 year old self made millionair who works at WB..the on the only..... could there be any one else.............................
DIE DIEMERAS..DIE! he is so annoying and so full of it..what an asshole.

Thank you, and I hope you all have fun poking innocent fun at me.:)

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel

I am ashamed for the less than honourable claims I have made, I do want to extend my sincerest apolagies to all who were involved in the thread..."Enough"
I took the flaring and never gave up.....now I just want to continue being a member here and meet new people who share the same passion as I.
Thank you all for not sitting still, because of it:
1- I am a stronger person, I have never had this severe a verbal fight with any one before, usually I just beef, like any normal teen ager.
2- I am creating a new concept called-CHRONIC AORTA DE-EST-INME, which will feature the names of all who flared me in "Enough"

My claims were a bit to good to be true, but I told you to wait, I will give you the evidence to back my claims in time (do not be rash...please, no more!)
No, I do not accept reels or any other...uncelecited..pics, material or any thing that is from an individual, do get this, I am practicaly green, I cannot judge anyone's work just yet, and I am an executive on my own show:)
You had me bothered the entire day, I still can't believe that I actually let you get to me, I am dissappointed in my self, but know this I intend in the next few years to become a shark, ruthless...in that way, I will be able to earn the respect of the entire animation industry....do support me.
I am sorry to all who had to witness that....although people privately posted saying....."Finally...some drama!" well I think what I should be saying is thank you....I guess, let from this day onward this sort of behaviour never happen again...and Skinny....you need to watch the way you address people, you sometimes come across too rash....way tooo rash:eek: To settle this I say this...

And finally, the supposedly 17 year old self made millionair who works at WB..the on the only..... could there be any one else.............................
DIE DIEMERAS..DIE! he is so annoying and so full of it..what an asshole.

Thank you, and I hope you all have fun poking innocent fun at me.:)

Kid, come back when you grow up, okay?

"We all grow older, we do not have to grow up"--Archie Goodwin ( 1937-1998)

To quote the movie Spaceballs...

I am ashamed for the less than honourable claims I have made, I do want to extend my sincerest apolagies to all who were involved in the thread..."Enough"
I took the flaring and never gave up.....now I just want to continue being a member here and meet new people who share the same passion as I.
Thank you all for not sitting still, because of it:
1- I am a stronger person, I have never had this severe a verbal fight with any one before, usually I just beef, like any normal teen ager.
2- I am creating a new concept called-CHRONIC AORTA DE-EST-INME, which will feature the names of all who flared me in "Enough"

My claims were a bit to good to be true, but I told you to wait, I will give you the evidence to back my claims in time (do not be rash...please, no more!)
No, I do not accept reels or any other...uncelecited..pics, material or any thing that is from an individual, do get this, I am practicaly green, I cannot judge anyone's work just yet, and I am an executive on my own show:)
You had me bothered the entire day, I still can't believe that I actually let you get to me, I am dissappointed in my self, but know this I intend in the next few years to become a shark, ruthless...in that way, I will be able to earn the respect of the entire animation industry....do support me.
I am sorry to all who had to witness that....although people privately posted saying....."Finally...some drama!" well I think what I should be saying is thank you....I guess, let from this day onward this sort of behaviour never happen again...and Skinny....you need to watch the way you address people, you sometimes come across too rash....way tooo rash:eek: To settle this I say this...

And finally, the supposedly 17 year old self made millionair who works at WB..the on the only..... could there be any one else.............................
DIE DIEMERAS..DIE! he is so annoying and so full of it..what an asshole.

Thank you, and I hope you all have fun poking innocent fun at me.:)

To quote the movie Spaceballs...

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You know what, I will take a break for a while just until you guys cool off, I'll come back when I have some clips of my new show, so until that day.

You said you wouldn't return without clips, so where are they?

I would settle for a press release on a news site.
I would settle for a web link to your studio's web site.
I would settle for a few screen grabs.
I'd settle for a single Google search result for your show's title, "THE PORTRAYERS OF ANEMOSS." The show's supposed to debut in seven months, which means it's been in production for a while; yet there's no mention of it anywhere.

Frankly, I don't even believe the part about being 17-years-old.

Hmmm....

You said you wouldn't return without clips, so where are they?

I would settle for a press release on a news site.
I would settle for a web link to your studio's web site.
I would settle for a few screen grabs.
I'd settle for a single Google search result for your show's title, "THE PORTRAYERS OF ANEMOSS." The show's supposed to debut in seven months, which means it's been in production for a while; yet there's no mention of it anywhere.

Frankly, I don't even believe the part about being 17-years-old.

Yeah, i just did the Google search for that show... usually there's a buzz about a show in production in some form or fashion...

Instead, Google asked me if i meant to search for "The Portrayers of ANNIE MOSS". I actually GOT results for that.

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, Jack Nicholson's character in China Town (can't think of the name right now), D

Its Jack you, stupid earwad.

And watch it, Human, you're next.

I've never heard of someone named Jake being called Jack.

I've never heard of someone named Jake being called Jack.

Screw you, too. Jake, Jack. Put it in your sack.

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