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Help.....advise.....quick....

Ill b really obliged if u guys could take a min and give me a bit of advice.

We are doin a 10 to 15 min 2D animated short movie inclusive of concept, storyboarding, character designing and animation.Its of reasonable broardcast quality.Do ne of u guys have ne idea as to how much we should charge the client?

Thanks a lot for your time.Ne advise will be immensly valuable

Regards,
DC

what level of action are we talking about? is it limited, super limited or pretty realistic?
how many people you have working on the project, what is your delivery time.

i think quality is the main thing. until you specify if its super limited or disney esque fluid it would be hard to put a number on tag.

Using capitals wont make what you say correct.

1) Your definition of vertical integration is incorrect.
2) By your definition of vertical integration you expected DamnCreative who is looking to make a show and wanted information on budgeting to take over a bigger company say like i dont know Klasky Csupo? so they could make more money? yeah. that makes a lot of sense. sound advice.

Ill take a stab at this with my limited 4 years of Business school -

Vertical integration is when a company either produces or owns different parts of a process which goes into conceptualising, creating and distributing a product. Pick something like making cars. So they design the cars, they produce the steel used to make the chassis, then they own the company that makes the tyres, the design and create the electronics, then they finance the purchase of the vehicle.

or in case of an animation firm - a channel creates characters, then does the storyboard, then animates, post produces and then broadcasts.
like say Cartoon Network or UTV/Hungama in India.

that is vertical integration.

im assuming what you meant by lower and higher class was size, in which case a smaller company buying a bigger company could at best be a reverse take over bid (in case the bigger was taking over the smaller) otherwise its just a business transaction, somewhat unusual but thats it.

the only way your definition comes true is if someone like Pixar buys 20th century Fox. A producer buying a Distributor that can be vertical integration.
Obviously thats not what you meant because you didnt know what you were talking about.

i am not a kid and you sir, are full of shit.

Hi guys great to see your replys...it good to be part of a fraternity!

the details are as follows

1. The expected qwality tends to fosters home for imaginary friends.
2. The delivery time is about 5 months
3. we have about 8-10 people working on it.

every cent is welcome....and on a side note Happy New Year.

Thanks a lot guys. Ill keep all these points in mind.
Cheers

Ya'll as crazy as they can get, but if it were me, 8 staff, graphics of the lame fosters for imm, and a 5 mont production run, heck I'LL call a cost of around $6,200 and that is pretty bad considering the pay off of the 8 workers and yourself, maybe you should try vertical integration as a means of higher earnings?
P.S let me know how it goes

Fosters is lame? care to explain?

how exactly would vertically integrating help damn creative?

do you know what vertical integration is mate?

K thanks guys i am really overwhelmed with the response.thank you animated ape ! cool its all a point of view cos i like fosters!

we are back to the pitching stage, due to various events beyond the scope of this post! with a bit of competition as well, trying to convince the client to make a series of short movies instead and all that i will keep you guys posted during the various stages including the sinister contractual stage.

so till then ...

cheers.
DC

Please don't patronize me :mad: I dislike the show because I.ve seen many like it, it is not funny and boasts the lamest aspect of fantasy adventure, you donot want to vie against me, I have connections at CN and fosters was a lucky shot creation, believe me......I know.
I have no problem with animation ape's creation it's just so many have complained that fosters should not be on television and I agree, (no hard feelings Ani Ape, you know I still love you ;) )
As for you skinny lizard, I do know what vertical integration is :mad: how dare you even oppose my knowledge, i do not appreciate your remark and I am offended by it!!!!

i am not patronizing you coz i didnt say anything to schmooze bout your knowledge and all that jazz.

i didnt say anything offensive. you dont like Fosters, fair enough, but i think you talked a lot of BS bout it.

actually i do want to 'vie' with you, why dont you explain the vertical integration as a means of higher earning for Damn Creative..

every thing Mr.Finston has said is something that should be considered beforehand and prior to commencing anything. Im assuming you have a contract that is notarised, signed and on Govt paper.
if this is through an agent be very very careful, especially if you are in India.

now. cost wise. something like Fosters wow. i would reckon your playing around the $1000 a min mark but Foster is flash and so is this rate im giving you. It would greatly depend on where you are located, the price im quoting would be for a Bombay, based firm which would be a little more expensive then somewhere else in the country.
i spoke to someone i know and they confirmed that you would be dealing with about $50 a second..

this is just animation of course, compositing, pre & post production is additional to this. However if you are getting a good rate and wish to do the project you could composite yourself.

Wow

Ya'll as crazy as they can get, but if it were me, 8 staff, graphics of the lame fosters for imm, and a 5 mont production run, heck I'LL call a cost of around $6,200 and that is pretty bad considering the pay off of the 8 workers and yourself, maybe you should try vertical integration as a means of higher earnings?
P.S let me know how it goes

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel

My theory:

20 min of quality character animation (3D) :) would cost around $1 million.

As simple as that. And that's not a joke.

Hey, Listen!!!

Using capitals wont make what you say correct.

1) Your definition of vertical integration is incorrect.
2) By your definition of vertical integration you expected DamnCreative who is looking to make a show and wanted information on budgeting to take over a bigger company say like i dont know Klasky Csupo? so they could make more money? yeah. that makes a lot of sense. sound advice.

Ill take a stab at this with my limited 4 years of Business school -

Vertical integration is when a company either produces or owns different parts of a process which goes into conceptualising, creating and distributing a product. Pick something like making cars. So they design the cars, they produce the steel used to make the chassis, then they own the company that makes the tyres, the design and create the electronics, then they finance the purchase of the vehicle.

or in case of an animation firm - a channel creates characters, then does the storyboard, then animates, post produces and then broadcasts.
like say Cartoon Network or UTV/Hungama in India.

that is vertical integration.

im assuming what you meant by lower and higher class was size, in which case a smaller company buying a bigger company could at best be a reverse take over bid (in case the bigger was taking over the smaller) otherwise its just a business transaction, somewhat unusual but thats it.

the only way your definition comes true is if someone like Pixar buys 20th century Fox. A producer buying a Distributor that can be vertical integration.
Obviously thats not what you meant because you didnt know what you were talking about.

i am not a kid and you sir, are full of shit.

You kid are ill mannered and out of place, the example I gave to you was for you to understand although very incorrect it was done in that way to lead to your foolish but very amusing flare! :D
Now, let me teach you a lesson in cheap talk
Vertical Integration is the process by which an industry manufactures or in baby talk for you to understand, makes, a specific product, such as, paper, is that simple enough for you :D it can merge, note well, with another smaller company, yes, there is a difference between a company and an industry, kid, are you getting all this, as a means to increase production, note well, INCREASE PRODUCTION, and lower average cost, again LOWER AVERAGE COST, hey, I know you're an a#$ h#$e, but you can still understand this simple term now can you, Ha Ha!
I made a simple suggestion to DamnCr, to find means of increasing his earnings, I made a joke about it only because I find it amusing when other people can pick fun at my comments, :)
As for you, little boy, I am a person of class and of importance to the entertainment industry, for you to be so Animus in your comments it makes me realise that there are some people still in this world who can't be more.......friendly :(
I am sorry if you are poor, I am sorry if you're still a virgin, I'm sorry if you earn $1000 a year, I am sorry if you're ugly and a wothless stack of a@# junk, I am deeply sorry if you collect cans as an extra means of survival!
You are a poor excuse for a human being, no class no humour, how DARE YOU get me this upset, I didn't come here to trash you, insult you, I came here to have fun, help people and escape the hard confusion of Hollwood, meet real people and not the stuck up prudes who surround me everyday, HOW DARE YOU, HOW D A R E YOU INSULENT CHILD, from this day onward have nothing to do with me, did I make myself clear! you @@@$#^*&
Just ignore me and I will do the same!

And for your information I am still young and full of life, which I can't say for you!

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel

Forgive Me

Please forgive my insulting flare against Skinny lizard my fellow Awn Members, I deeply apolagise for such actions, I only wanted to give a little humorous justure to Danm creative I didn't expect it to lead to this rampage, I deeply apolagise all of you (except SKL) :D
I sincerely apolagise :)
Diemeras D A

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel

I think your post was juvenile and entirely uncalled for DIEMERAS.

the Ape

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

Fosters is lame? care to explain?

how exactly would vertically integrating help damn creative?

do you know what vertical integration is mate?

Please don't patronize me :mad: I dislike the show because I.ve seen many like it, it is not funny and boasts the lamest aspect of fantasy adventure, you donot want to vie against me, I have connections at CN and fosters was a lucky shot creation, believe me......I know.
I have no problem with animation ape's creation it's just so many have complained that fosters should not be on television and I agree, (no hard feelings Ani Ape, you know I still love you ;) )
As for you skinny lizard, I do know what vertical integration is :mad: how dare you even oppose my knowledge, I do not appreciate your remark and I am offended by it!!!!

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel

I have no problem with animation ape's creation it's just so many have complained that fosters should not be on television and I agree...

"Foster's" isn't my show. I animated on it, I didn't create it or anything. Now I'm a Lead on "Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi" which you probably like even less.

Hi DamnCreative and welcome to the AWN Forums. First thing I would do would be to honestly figure out how long this project will take the eight of you to finish. Pay yourselves a decent weekly wage. Add it all up, then triple it and give that number to your client. This will cover your costs, as well as cover any unforseen crap that hits the fan. And there will be crap, I assure you, esspecially if your client is new to the animation buissness.

Write up a contract between you and your client as well as between you and the other 7 people working on the project. Make sure everyones rolls are clearly spelled out so people won't feel put upon when they're asked to do something. Have check points along the production way. By this I mean getting paid a chung up front, then another chunk when they sign off on the storyboards, etc. And make sure they sign off on things along the way, and also put in the contract that if they want changes on something AFTER they've signed off on it, it will cost them extra. Say twice the normal rate. This will cover you from endless changes at your own expence.

Thats all I can think of at the moment but there is a ton of stuff I've left out I'm sure. Anyway, good luck and let us know how it turns out.

Aloha,
the Ape

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

You kid are ill mannered and out of place, the example I gave to you was for you to understand although very incorrect it was done in that way to lead to your foolish but very amusing flare! :D
Now, let me teach you a lesson in cheap talk
Vertical Integration is the process by which an industry manufactures or in baby talk for you to understand, makes, a specific product, such as, paper, is that simple enough for you :D it can merge, note well, with another smaller company, yes, there is a difference between a company and an industry, kid, are you getting all this, as a means to increase production, note well, INCREASE PRODUCTION, and lower average cost, again LOWER AVERAGE COST, hey, I know you're an a#$ h#$e, but you can still understand this simple term now can you, Ha Ha!
I made a simple suggestion to DamnCr, to find means of increasing his earnings, I made a joke about it only because I find it amusing when other people can pick fun at my comments, :)
As for you, little boy, I am a person of class and of importance to the entertainment industry, for you to be so Animus in your comments it makes me realise that there are some people still in this world who can't be more.......friendly :(
I am sorry if you are poor, I am sorry if you're still a virgin, I'm sorry if you earn $1000 a year, I am sorry if you're ugly and a wothless stack of a@# junk, I am deeply sorry if you collect cans as an extra means of survival!
You are a poor excuse for a human being, no class no humour, how DARE YOU get me this upset, I didn't come here to trash you, insult you, I came here to have fun, help people and escape the hard confusion of Hollwood, meet real people and not the stuck up prudes who surround me everyday, HOW DARE YOU, HOW D A R E YOU INSULENT CHILD, from this day onward have nothing to do with me, did I make myself clear! you @@@$#^*&
Just ignore me and I will do the same!

And for your information I am still young and full of life, which I can't say for you!

id be offended if i wasnt amused.

Hey, Listen!

id be offended if i wasnt amused.

Thank you for not continuing this stupid feud, fotgive my bitterness, it's just I would have let it slide if he had not called me you know what, in light of all this I still don't hate you Skinny Lizard, noe let us be gentle men and set a proper example :D
Diemeras

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel

i am not patronizing you coz i didnt say anything to schmooze bout your knowledge and all that jazz.

i didnt say anything offensive. you dont like Fosters, fair enough, but i think you talked a lot of BS bout it.

actually i do want to 'vie' with you, why dont you explain the vertical integration as a means of higher earning for Damn Creative..

Here's the deal kid, you took a flare at me for nothing, all I did was make my point and I made it known, now for your lesson in business 1on 1:
VERTICAL INTEGRATION :- THIS IS WHEN A BUSINESS OF A LOWER CLASS TAKES OVER A COMPANY OF A HIGHER CLASS
. E.G IF YUGI GRAND'S FATHER WAS TO TAKE OVER KIBA CORP.
Simple enough, even for you :mad:
Now, never again will you defy me, for your opposition was uncalled for, I'm sorry for any inconvenience caused :(
Maybe if you form an amalgamation with a larger company (like what the small company who created Halo did, by forming a conglomerate with Microsoft), this is my advise to you, it is well worth the shot, so tell me how it goes :D
Diemeras

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel

Thank you for not continuing this stupid feud, fotgive my bitterness, it's just I would have let it slide if he had not called me you know what, in light of all this I still don't hate you Skinny Lizard, noe let us be gentle men and set a proper example :D Diemeras

the only reason we wont argue is because you dont make any sense.

Hey! Lisren!

the only reason we wont argue is because you dont make any sense.

Ha, okay, I guess I deserve that :) next time I won't be so quick to post and think before I act, people usually suck up to me :rolleyes: I don't have verbal fights with anyone usually I am accustomed to "beefing"
You know you're pretty cool, you remind me of one of my friends, he is always quick to talk back, but he never overreacts :D
Hey pal, I know we haven't gotten off on the right foot but let's start over
I am pleased to meet you Skinny Lizard I am Diemeras Dark Angel, The next big thing in the animation industry and soon to be star, how are you?
I am a gentleman and I will accept my faults and owe up to my stupidity :)

He who seeks the truth, must first empty his heart of a false pursuit.

Diemeras Dark Angel