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'A Shark's Tale'....ugh

Have you guys seen the trailer for Dreamwork's 'A Shark's Tale' yet? I'm sorry if anyone here has worked on this movie, but this doesn't look good to me at all. First of all, the fish look like caricatures of the actors who portray them. What is the purpose of this?!? Secondly, the fish are in restaurants, horse race tracks, etc. and it's like they are not even fish. Reminds me of Spongebob Squarepants--you forget they are even underwater. Why did they use fish--don't they just take the story and use 3D humans instead?

I think I will avoid this movie and instead wait for Delgo, whenever that comes out. I hope they get a distributor soon.

wow, i can understand your feelings on sharktale, though i don't think it looks that terrible, but delgo, yikes, the trailer makes me cringe everytime i see it. bad designs, bad animation, and a director with a rich daddy.

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Here's pitch for Sharktale. Let's make some characters that look bland, take a story that has already been done, throw in some overused gags, and hire a cast of very well known actors...then make tons of money. Oh wait that's Sinbad, no Final Fantasy, umm perhaps Delgo, maybe all three? Either way you cut it, when studio execs run an animation company, and rely on star power to sell, this is what you get. (Insert Rassberry here)

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yeah, you guys have a point about Delgo...I saw the trailer after I saw the first 'Shrek', so the jerky movements looked fine...hmmm. I have been hearing people complain that the character designs in 'The Incredibles' are not believeable and plastic-looking, but I think if they made them human looking, it would be Final Fantasy all over again. I don't know what point I'm trying to make, but uhhhh....aw heck I just wish 2D would become popular again. *sniff*

Haven't we learned by now not to judge movies by their trailers? :rolleyes:

Dreamworks hasn't made a bad 3D movie yet.

I haven't actually seen ANTZ....but there they go again with the caricatures of the actors...those character designs scare me too.

dreamworks hasn't made a 3d movie yet. All you can do is judge the track record of their 2d movies, which have been pretty bad. sinbad and spirit, while well animated, lacked a compelling story...i'm afraid shark tale is going to fall into that same trap.

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sinbad and spirit, while well animated, lacked a compelling story....

That's sad but true. I absolutely LOVED both of these movies just because of the animation. There were some breathtaking moments in 'Spirit' (like the opening segment); I especially liked how they didn't have the horses talk, but instead used their eyes and movements to convey emotions. And who can forget Eris, the villain from 'Sinbad'? She was designed and animated beautifully. And the whole 'tradigital' thing was quite overplayed in this movie (the water siren scene, the fish island scene, etc.). But it was still fun to watch.

If Dreamworks gets a good story guy/staff on board, they will be unstoppable in their 2D department. Mark Dindal (wrote 'Emperor's New Groove,' 'Cats Don't Dance') should go over there; that would be awesome. Does anyone know what Dreamworks' next 2D feature will be, if any?

nut'n, dreamworks, like disney, has shut down their 2d production. Sharktale is dreamworks animation's first cg feature. they have a couple 3d features in the works on their glendale campus, but thats it...

Mark is doing chicken little at disney...the trailer did not make me want to see it, but the fact that he is directing it will force me to buy a ticket (o:

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Sharktale is dreamworks animation's first cg feature.

....I didn't know that. So then Dreamworks just distributed 'Shrek' & 'Shrek 2', then? Who actually worked on them? That's pretty sneaky.

...What 3D programs are they (meaning Dreamworks, Disney/Pixar, etc.) using nowadays, anyway? Are they using Maya, or their own patented private stuff that only they can use? I know Pixar uses Renderman, but seeing as they have released it to the public, they must be using something else now.

Since Dreamworks owns the Shrek studio, PDI, I think we can officially say that Dreamworks made Shrek.
And Shark Tale is directed by the same person who directed Shrek, which wasn't a terrible movie.

Okay. So is PDI making/animating 'Shark', or is Dreamworks? Are they in the middle of a split like Pixar & Disney? What's with these 3D studio & corporate people--can't they get along?:rolleyes:

...What 3D programs are they (meaning Dreamworks, Disney/Pixar, etc.) using nowadays, anyway? Are they using Maya, or their own patented private stuff that only they can use? I know Pixar uses Renderman, but seeing as they have released it to the public, they must be using something else now.

i am pretty sure they uses maya like all latest movies who uses fx/cgi [lotr,spiderman1/2,hulk..etc].
most 3D movies will use this tool because it offers professional sulotions.
regards to renderman, since you have a choise to buy it, the studio may develop its own maya plugin to maintain the rendering process.

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First off. PDI did the shrek movies and antz. The only movie under Pdi/Dreamworks was shrek 2, but i still consider it a pdi film, lets give them their due credit. Its like saying nemo is a disney film. Nah, Sharktale will be the first all dreamworks film. As for director, yes it has vicki jenson, but it also codirected by the director of road to eldordo, which was not very good..beautiful, but not good.

as for software....

Pixar uses Marionette to animate with, renderman is just a render software. Pdi uses there own software i believe, kevan can tell you what it is. We use our own software called voodoo...

many companies use their own because you have the programers on staff, just makes it more convientent and you don't have to pay the maya licences.

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Well, I guess since Dreamworks wasn't involved in the creative process of Antz or Shrek, we can finally let Katzenberg off the hook for stealing Pixar's ant idea.

I remember an entire AWN thread which lambasted Dreamworks co-owner Katzenberg for swiping the Antz idea from Pixar's Bug's Life as he was leaving Disney, but here it turns out Dreamworks wasn't even involved in the creative process and was merely a distributor! The whole Antz/Bugs thing was just a silly coincidence, after all! Whew! Glad that scandal was finally debunked.

Alright Greg, relax buddy.

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"Harvey"

I am relaxed, now that I know that Katz is innocent. That's what WHEW means.

Oh, wait a second. I just checked the following article: http://www.businessweek.com/1998/47/b3605013.htm

Katzenberg got the idea for Antz from Nina Jacobsen, a former Disney executive (now back at Disney) who pitched the idea while working for Dreamworks at the time.
...
Katzenberg had agreed to do the deal with PDI only if PDI committed to deliver Antz before Pixar's Bugs came out.

Turns out Dreamworks hired PDI to develop the Antz idea. Katzenberg brought Antz to PDI, not the other way around. So Dreamworks - along with PDI - DID create Antz. Hmph, well I'll be danged. What do you wanna bet the same sort of arrangement happened for Shrek? Oh well, let's give Dreamworks "their due credit."

Boy, in retrospect I am being way too sarcastic. I apologize for that. I guess I'm a little giddy today.

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http://mag.awn.com/index.php?ltype=pageone&article_no=3846

Have you ever seen "Jane and the Dragon"? Compare that to the movie in this article.

Red-faced sharks

It's the most embarassing trailer I've seen for quite some time. With its release scheduled ahead of "The Incredibles," it should do some business. But anyone who's seen "Nemo" (and who hasn't?) is bound to be appalled by the ripped-off vegetarian shark gag. This film will make PDI-Dreamworks dependant on the "Shrek" franchise.

Wow... This one got pretty heated.

Personally, besides Sherk, I am not a big fan of ANY of the Dreamworks films, 2D or 3D. Antz was HORRIBLE, and this Shark Tale looks like another feeble attempt at jumping onto the 3D bandwagon. What is a shame is that it seems to me that Dreamworks is banking more on the voice talent of this film than anything else. I personally would like to think that I could make a successful film with NO big name stars, or at the very most 2. I certainly do not go and see an animation film because it features the voices of "so and so and So and so", and so on... I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but it is the story that most people want to see this stuff, not Rene Zelwigger.

And Delgo... Oh Delgo... That one takes the cake. What is that?! Sorry, Cybercist, but that one looks horrible. Bad animation, ugly characters (unless you like that Dungeons and Dragons look mixed with an amateur design style).

Oh well... I am anxiously awaiting the Incredibles. I absolutely LOVE the look of that one (whether the characters look plastic or not... that is a style issue, and not for us to judge), and it appears that it will be brilliantly written, and wonderfully animated. I have a great deal of faith in Pixar in making this one a doozy!

Wade

"Don't want to end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard" - Paul Simon

Here's how the movie critics rated the existing 3D movies, according to Rotten Tomatoes' "cream of the crop":

(The number represents the percentage of critics who recommend the movie.)

100%. Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Antz, Finding Nemo (tied)

91%. Shrek 2, Bug's Life (tied)

85%. Monsters Inc.

84%. Shrek

78%. Ice Age

76%. Jonah: VeggieTales

68%. Dinosaur

32%. Final Fantasy

The critics seem to agree that both Pixar and Dreamworks are making great 3D movies and the box office results reflect that opinion, so what are we so worried about?

i've only seen a little bit of shark tale, but it looked really good to me!

Movie critics in general haven't got the foggiest what animation is
most are unable to tell you the difference between 2D and 3D

when i saw that shark tale thing my first reaction was...
what shamelessness! what were they thinking?
"pixar goes underwater, they make money, so we go there too"

Peter Wassink - Digital 2D Animator

I haven't been following this thread religiously, but I was under the impression that Shark's Tale has actually been in development since before Finding Nemo was released...

Anyway, it doesn't matter if critics know anything about animation. The point is good storytelling, which is universal, not medium.

Ender

Nobody becomes outraged when they make another vampire, so why would you be outraged that they make another fish movie or bug movie or cartoon monster movie or prehistoric animal movie?

"That Van Helsing movie is shameful! It's obviously just a rip-off of Underworld which was a rip-off of Shadow of the Vampire which was a rip-off of Vampires which was a rip-off of Blade which was a rip-off of From Dusk Till Dawn which was a rip-off of Interview with the Vampire which was a rip-off of Vampire's Kiss which was a rip-off of Lost Boys which was a ... ."

Movie critics in general haven't got the foggiest what animation is
most are unable to tell you the difference between 2D and 3D

Neither does the general public. All the general public cares about is whether or not they are entertained. 2D/3D (in my opinion, and YES, I HAVE said this one or two times before) does not matter. The critics watch these films from an audience's p.o.v., not from an animator's, looking at the films entertainment value, and story line.

Harvey, Shrek 1 and 2 are the only 2 Dreamworks movies listed in there. Nobody argued that these two films were not good, as I am sure we will all agree that they are brilliant. We were simply stating that Dreamworks has (with the exception of the Shrek films) released a whole lot of stinkers. Where is Antz on your list? Quite honestly, I don't think I know ANYONE, industry based or not, young or old who liked that film.

Personally, the only two animated films I liked enought to mention from Dreamworks (again, besides the Shreks) are the religious ones, the Prince of Egypt, and Joseph - King of Dreams, mostly because they were brave enough to take on religious projects such as these. That and they were made pretty well on low budgets (in comparison to other US theatrical releases).

To the rest of you who argue the "Nemo" rip-off thing... Yes, the fish idea probably did come from Nemo. However, trends start just like this one did. Does anyone remember the early '90's when Dinosaurs were the craze? Everyone was making dino films and series, etc. after the Land Before Time was released. That is the way things work in any business... One guy invents something that makes him a tonne of money, and EVERYONE jumps on the band-wagon to try to take a piece of the proverbial pie. Why should animation and film be any different, from the business-man's point of view?

Cheers

"Don't want to end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard" - Paul Simon

Harvey, Shrek 1 and 2 are the only 2 Dreamworks movies listed in there. Nobody argued that these two films were not good, as I am sure we will all agree that they are brilliant. We were simply stating that Dreamworks has (with the exception of the Shrek films) released a whole lot of stinkers. Where is Antz on your list? Quite honestly, I don't think I know ANYONE, industry based or not, young or old who liked that film.

I consider Antz to be a Dreamworks movie (as well as a PDI movie), since Dreamworks' Katzenberg commissioned PDI to animate the movie. Katzenberg brought the idea to PDI. It's not as if PDI independently developed the movie and then hunted for a distributor. Dreamworks was intigral. As for Shrek, both Katzenberg and Spielberg were producers on that movie, so I think it would be kind of difficult to argue that Shrek is not a Dreamworks movie.

Don't know anyone who likes Antz?! Well, now you can say you DO:

"It's a well-written, witty tale, expertly executed!"
-- Mark Caro, CHICAGO TRIBUNE

"It's fresh, exhilarating, funny, able to tell an old story in a beguiling new way!"
-- Jay Carr, BOSTON GLOBE

"It enters into a microscopic world and makes it into a world so vast and threatening that comparisons with Star Wars are not unjustified!"
-- Roger Ebert, CHICAGO SUN-TIMES

"Antz crawling with detail, humor, Woody Allen style."
-- Bob Fenster, ARIZONA REPUBLIC

"The film breaks new ground in its dazzling re-creation of life from an ant's-eye view!"
-- Julie Hinds, SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS

"Antz works best just showing off its prodigious voice talent and playing lightheartedly with the curious possibilities of a buggy world."
-- Janet Maslin, NEW YORK TIMES

"A dazzling delight!"
-- Todd McCarthy, VARIETY

"That's Ant-ertainment!"
-- Michael O'Sullivan, WASHINGTON POST

"The computer animation is first rate and filled with the kind of "Wow! Look at that!" wizardry that is eventually going to make Toy Story look about as technically sophisticated as South Park."
-- Naomi Ryerson, MR. SHOWBIZ

"Antz is about the relief felt by star actors freed from the constraints of their physical selves and the egos that go with them."
-- Lisa Schwarzbaum, ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY

"Distinctive, delightful!"
-- Gene Siskel, CHICAGO TRIBUNE

"Antz takes a huge step forward for computer animation!"
-- Susan Stark, DETROIT NEWS

Here's the only negative review I could find:

"...beautiful and visually appealing, but uninspired in the script department."
-- David Keyes, CINEMAPHILE.ORG

Where is Antz on my list? It's not in my top 10 animated features, but it's one of my favorite 3D movies. I'd put it in the same catagory as Shrek, right below Toy Story and right above Ice Age. Something like that.

There's no accounting for taste, or beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, or whatever. I like Antz. You didn't. So what. Who cares. Big deal.

Yes, Dreamworks has been producing some crappy 2D movies, but so has Disney (Home on the Range, Brother Bear, Jungle Book 2, Treasure Planet, Lilo and Stitch, Return to Neverland, Atlantis, Tarzan, etc.), hence the fall of 2D cinema.

sounds like someone has a little crush on Mr Katzenberg...

(o:

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Uh, I just try to get my facts straight where animation production is concerned, unlike others.
:D

just cause you read it on the internet, doesn't always make it a fact. Rotten Tomatoes Is a fine site, but...

When you actually spend some time in production, you will realize how those "facts" are often not. Having good friends that worked for dreamworks for years, i would just say to be careful about assuming katzenberg is the creative genious behind all the dreamwprks/pdi pics.

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Movie

It's rare that I agree with Harvey on anything but movies do come out with similar stories and characters. When Dantes Peak came out there was another volcano movie too, same thing happened when Armageddon came out.

I guess we could say that Nemo and SharkTale both copied The Little Mermaid then. Who knows if it is coincidence or spy knowledge, but it happens.

I hope this wouldn't be a deterrent for people not to see it.

When I first saw the character designs for ST, I hated them. Seeing the trailer, I kind of got over it. With Antz , the caricature thing was a little weird and more so with the fish but now I'm glad they are different than Pixars look.

I didn't think I would care for the movie much but from the trailer it actually looks like it might be kind of cool.

I think I'll see it ( this actually has more of an appeal to me than the Shrek 2 trailer does)

by the way, am I the only one that didn't like the Toy Story movies. Those are my least favorite out of (most)all the 3d ones.

just cause you read it on the internet, doesn't always make it a fact. Rotten Tomatoes Is a fine site, but...

When you actually spend some time in production, you will realize how those "facts" are often not. Having good friends that worked for dreamworks for years, i would just say to be careful about assuming katzenberg is the creative genious behind all the dreamwprks/pdi pics.

It wasn't merely the internet. It was Business Week, which is a pretty reputable publication. I'm open to any article you can find that states that Katzenberg was not in fact instrumental in bringing together the elements of story and craft to create Antz, or that he did not commission PDI to animate the Antz movie.

It shouldn't be surprising. Katzenberg WAS, after all, the chairman of Walt Disney Studios and is often credited with reviving Disney feature animation when he oversaw the productions of Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Lion King, etc. I just like to give people their due credit.

I never claimed that Katzenberg was a "creative genius," but he seemed to know what he was doing at Disney. After he departed Disney, the quality of their 2D features really took a nosedive. Unfortunately, he hasn't had as much luck with the Dreamworks 2D movies. Katzenberg says, "I don't believe that The Road to El Dorado didn't succeed because of its technique, any more than Titan A.E. or Treasure Planet failed because of their techniques. To blame our animators for El Dorado not working would be nonsense. The idea and the way in which we told the story simply were not compelling enough, and I think the other movies share those shortcomings. It hurts to have to accept that responsibility, but that is the reality."

And the elitist attitude, "when you actually spend some time in production," doesn't fly. Facts are facts and are not negated just because one has worked in a Hollywood movie studio.

hi chums, it's kind of a moot point anyway, since the very nature of animated feature production can never be attributed to one person.

personally i hope shark tale turns out to be cool. the little i've seen certainly looks good. i think it'll be a very different entity to nemo, and have something new to offer us cinema-goers...

thanks
k

Greg, i don't need an animation history lesson, i know just as much as you do, i have been a geek of this industry for a long time.

and yes, i have learned much after being involved in large and small productions. As much as i thought i knew while in school, just doesn't compare to what you learn while working. stuff you can not find in business week or whatever publication. There are things that go on behind closed doors that will never be known to the public. Its not an elitist attitude, its just a fact that you have not worked in production, but yet you try to tell us they way things are in production. if anyone has an elitist attitude is you Mr. Wadesworth.

Kevan. i totally agree, i wish sharktale the best. The better it does, the better it is for all of us. I don't want any animation to fail.

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First of all, I don't care if you troll around my website, but don't drag your misspelled version of my personal information onto a public forum. It's really disgusting behavior. Your address, phone number, IP numbers you left behind when you dug through my site, and the ISP who gave you those numbers are all readily available information, but I would be a complete a-hole to post that sort of personal information on a public forum. In short, stick to the issues and don't be a troll.

Secondly, you ignorantly claim that I have no experience in production, but the fact is that I have 10 years experience in animation production, which is completely irrelevant since we're discussing the historical record of Dreamworks' relationship with PDI, not having a resume contest. :rolleyes:

Finally, I don't really understand what we're disputing. I offered up some facts concerning Katzenberg's involvement in the Antz and Shrek productions. You have offered no facts. All you did was cryptically claim that you know more about Dreamworks' involvement with PDI because, what, you worked on Garfield? You say you know more because you work in Hollywood. Well, fine. Then what is it you know? Don't just brag that you know more. Back it up. Enlighten me.

well, i just wrote this long response, but it got lost (darn labtop battery) anyhoo. make it short..

greg, i'm not going to carry this on anymore. My simple point was that not everything you read is true. Not saying anything true or false about katzenberg. Just that there was much more than he behind the success of the PDI films.

i went to your website cause you speak as if you know all, however you have very little production experience. so make fun of garfield all you want, but it was still full character animation on a professional level. But if thats not good enough for you, i would be more than happy to show my work, i do it all the time. Funny, have yet to see yours...

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My Dear Mr. Shumway,

So an invitation to tell what you know reveals nothing, no information: just more bragging about your professional experience. What a huge surprise.

You keep implying that by my crediting Katzenberg, I'm somehow claiming that he's the only creative talent behind the PDI pictures, which is simply insane.

And you say "not everything you read is true," which is - of course - true, but besides the point. You have yet to refute my facts about Katz in any way, shape, or form. It all just comes back to your nonsense claim that I couldn't possibly know about Katz's experience because I don't have as much production experience as you do, as if you were Katz's personal assistant or stenographer at all the high-level Dreamworks/PDI production meetings.

HARVEY: 1 + 1 = x
MATT: That's not true. 1 + 1 = y
HARVEY: But it's part of the historical record that 1 + 1 = x. Many in the industry have attested to this fact.
MATT: Don't give me that! I have much more experience in the industry. You have no experience. I know how things work behind the scenes. I have the inside scoop.
HARVEY: Okay, well, what's the inside scoop?
MATT: I have much more experience in the industry. I know everything. You know nothing. I have the inside scoop.
HARVEY: Okay, great. Tell me what you know then. Educate me.
MATT: Don't give me that! I live in Los Angeles. I have much more experience.
HARVEY: I understand that part. Please just tell me how you know that 1 + 1 = y.
MATT: I have the inside scoop. I worked on Garfield. I'm going to taunt you, make personal attacks, and post your personal information on the forum to prove that I'm right.
HARVEY: Okay. Great. Good luck with that. Later!

The funny thing is we're usually in agreement about the basic issues (not including the issue of you feeling you know more about animation history because you worked on Garfield) and I can never figure out what we're arguing about. :confused:

Anyway, be sure to tell all your neighbors at Kenwood and Heffron "hi" for me. (That's a pretty crappy location, right next to the Ventura freeway. Ever consider moving?)

best,
Harvey

Greg...

I said your real name, and you feel like you have to hunt down my address and phone number. Whatever makes you feel like a man, discussing animation with you is pointless. so i'm done. i have nothing to prove to you. Like garfield or not, its still at a level that you have not nor are likely to reach. say all you want my friend, cause when it comes down to it, I love my job, and get paid to animate everyday. I don't care if its garfield or gollum, i don't just talk about it, i actually do it.

Talk on my friend.

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And talk on, I shall, my dear sweet friend.

Two "I'm not going to carry this on anymore" posts in a row. Care to try for a third?

You hunted down my personal information and posted it here. I'm just emulating you, so how could I be wrong? If it makes you feel like a man to root through my site and post stuff here, I suppose it makes me feel like a man to do likewise.

But you needn't concern yourself. I've finally come around to your way of thinking. It took me awhile, but it makes perfect sense.

Katzenberg did not get the idea for Antz from Nina Jacobsen.
Why? Because Matthew Shumway worked on Garfield.

Katzenberg did not commission PDI to animate the Antz feature.
Why? Because Matthew Shumway worked on VeggieTales.

Katzenberg was not the producer of Shrek.
Why? Because Matthew Shumway erroneously believes that I have never worked in animation production.

Katzenberg was not the chairman of Disney Studios in the '80s and did not oversee the development of the Little Mermaid and Lion King.
Why? Because I don't work in Hollywood like Matthew Shumway does.

Can the Matthew Shumway method of reasoning work for you?
Listen, dear reader: Having a debate with somebody but too lazy and conceited to dig up the facts necessary to refute his argument? No worries! Simply berate the individual's professional experience. Here's an example:

HIM: I understand that Chuck Jones directed some Bugs Bunny cartoons.
YOU: What the hell do you know? I work on Hollywood movies, so I know much more than you do about animation history. Do YOU work on Hollywood movies? No, I didn't think so. What's that? You want me to offer a contrary opinion on the topic? No, no, no, sir. I am too preoccupied with my own greatness to waste my time sticking to the issues. All you need to know is you don't know what you're talking about because you did not work on Garfield like I did. You see, working on Garfield has made me all-knowing, all-seeing, and all-wise, but don't think that I'm an elitist snob, even though I act like one. Don't you wish you worked on Garfield like I work on Garfield? Then you could be an expert on animation history like I am.

angry harvey...angry... :):):)

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Sorry, I didn't mean to make you angry. I'm just playing wit' ya. ;)

Whenever you make your nonsensical argument that I'm wrong because I don't work on Garfield like you do, I can't help but kick into high satire.

I know, I know. You worked on Garfield which means I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to animation history. I certainly wish I worked on Garfield so I could know things like "who directed Finding Nemo" or "was Hong Kong Fooey a dog or a giraffe." The only way I could possibly discern the answers would be if I worked on Garfield. There's no other possible way to know animation history than to work on Garfield. In fact, because Matthew Shumway has worked on Garfield, he is not only an expert on animation history, but he's also an expert on feline biology. He can take a cat apart and put it back together with his eyes closed, and he has the feline genome committed to memory. Go ahead: ask Matthew Shumway any question! He is all-knowing.

Q: Mr. Shumway, who created Scooby Doo?
MATT: I worked on Garfield.

Q: Mr. Shumway, how many animation features did Walt Disney produce?
MATT: I worked on Garfield.

Q: Mr. Shumway, how did Hanna and Barbera divide the directorial duties on Tom and Jerry
MATT: I worked on Garfield.

He's a genius, isn't he, folks? Anyway, the important thing is HE thinks he is.

nah garfield is done..I'm on Lion Witch now..

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Well, that's just fantastic, but you'll always be Mr. Matthew "I worked on Garfield" Shumway to me (Miwogs, for short).

Does this mean that the next time I state an animation fact you'll be responding with "you're wrong because I'm working on Lion Witch"?

Anyway, have fun with your new feature, Miwogs. :)

thanks man! Its gonna be a fun show!

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Can you guys just stop the cat-fighting?

Greg, what is it that you would like to know about Dreamworks-PDI relationship? Not many people (even us who have worked for the company) will be able to tell you that. It is at a level that is only for execs anyway.

I agree with Matt on one thing though - working in the industry is different than looking at it from the outside.

Cheers,

-M

what is it that you would like to know about Dreamworks-PDI relationship?

Matt seems to imply that he knows more about the early days of the Dreamworks/PDI deal-making although I have yet to hear any information from him, other than his initial statement that Dreamworks was not involved in the production of Antz or Shrek. From the available evidence, it seems to me that Dreamworks was instrumental in the development and production of PDI's first 2 features. From what I've read, if PDI couldn't meet Dreamworks' requirements, Katzenberg was prepared to take Antz to a different studio.

I'd be curious to learn what other talents (name actors, directors, producers, etc.) Dreamworks brought to those productions. It's not all that important though, so don't kill yourself.

And while we're at it, when exactly did Shark Tale begin conception and development? Is it really a Finding Nemo rip-off? It looks more like a Spongebob rip-off to me, although - as someone pointed out earlier - the vegetarian shark is highly suspicious.

other than his initial statement that Dreamworks was not involved in the production of Antz or Shrek.

This is true (assuming that "production" means art concept, modeling, rigging, animation, lighting, fx, etc..).

And while we're at it, when exactly did Shark Tale begin conception and development? Is it really a Finding Nemo rip-off? It looks more like a Spongebob rip-off to me, although - as someone pointed out earlier - the vegetarian shark is highly suspicious.

I can't verify whether this was a rip-off or not. It certainly doesn't seem so as production schedules for 3d-animated films are at least 2-3 years from conception to it hitting the theatres. This would make SharkTale have a conception way before Nemo hit the theatres. There is no way that if it was a rip-off, that it would be ready for release just one year later.

Cheers,

-M

"PDI did the shrek movies and antz. The only movie under Pdi/Dreamworks was shrek 2, but i still consider it a pdi film"

ok, that was my exact quote. Thats it, and yes, i am talking about production. More specifically the studio. Pdi is its own studio in no. cal. while dreamworks F.A. is its own in so. cal.

how do you go from that to, "Matt seems to imply that he knows more about the early days of the Dreamworks/PDI deal-making"

I said nothing of deals. or early days. I talk only specifically which studio did what. Please do not put words in my mouth.

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Rhythm and Hues Studios
www.mattshumway.com

www.enigmathemovie.com
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"PDI did the shrek movies and antz. The only movie under Pdi/Dreamworks was shrek 2, but i still consider it a pdi film"

ok, that was my exact quote. Thats it, and yes, i am talking about production. More specifically the studio. Pdi is its own studio in no. cal. while dreamworks F.A. is its own in so. cal.

how do you go from that to, "Matt seems to imply that he knows more about the early days of the Dreamworks/PDI deal-making"

I said nothing of deals. or early days. I talk only specifically which studio did what. Please do not put words in my mouth.

Matt, don't you have some work to do.:)

Shrek2 *is* a PDI film and totally done in Redwood City.

SharkTale is Dreamworks' first CG feature done on their own.

-M

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