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I didn't say "all" I said "most." And yes, that's a generalization. It all really depends on the tuition costs. Don't gamble more than you can afford to loose.

A very important piece of research is to get a copy of anything you're going to have to sign. Take it to a lawyer, and have them translate the legalese. I did this way too late.

Does the contract explicitly spell out your financial obligations, while the school's obligations to you are vague and evasive? They can quote percentages of students who get jobs in the industry, but unless the contract says something specific about job placement, don't expect much. Judges don't know anything about animation schools. They need something tangible that represents obligations that have or have not been fulfilled.

Talk to graduates from the school who are working in animation. Do they make enough to keep up with the cost of living where they live AND keep up with their student loans? Or are they making a crap wage and getting laid off when their job gets outsourced? Have they ever had to file for bankruptcy or come close?

If the tuition is more than you can afford to loose, always think in terms of the absolute worst case scenario. I'm not saying anyone's Evil, or even that they are intentionally out to rip people off, but if it happens, very few will be willing or able to do anything to make it right. My own blind optimism has had a crippling effect on my life, and this really seems to be more the rule than the exception, lately.

Always glad to spread a little sunshine! :)

A lot has been made of the supposed segregation of traditional skills and computer generated work. I think this is based mostly on the disconnect between more experienced industry professionals and the speed in which new technologies have become available (Particularly in the late 90's). However squash and stretch is squash and stretch wither the bouncing ball is 3D or 2D. Green and red are complimentary colors wither you paint in Photoshop or with gouache. The eyes are placed in the middle of the head wither...you get it. Computers have changed how we do things but they have not changed what it is we are doing. Traditional skills, for lack of a better term, are at the core of all successful computer animation. For the student animators to have the success we want, we must stop separating skill bases and see it really as the same pursuit

Ringling & SCAD

Thanks for that response Jim. I know that you can't tell yet about this year's graduates from Ringling...but has the response so far been positive? Are the recruiters as optimistic? I looked at the url Ed sent and the work looks just amazing!!!

Thank you very much for the info !
I heard as well that De Anza is a pretty good school, but, after looking at their website, it seems like they do not offer Bachelor / Master degrees ...

DeAnza is a community college. The highest degree they offer is Associate degrees, and I'm not sure if they even offer that in animation.

I'll be combining this into the Art and Animation school sticky on monday. So to find this, just check there.

Mahalo,
the Ape

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

Expression, Academy of Art, De Anza, Cal Arts ... Uneasy to choose. Maybe do you know which one of these four if the most renowned in the US/world ? It should play a big part in the resume then.

Cal Arts is by far the most well regarded school of that bunch.

It depends what you are looking for Mleen. If you want an all around art education then go with Cal Arts or Academy of Art. I think, but I'm not sure, Expression is more of a tech school and teaches more animation, but doesn't have drawing or painting classes.

Aloha,
the Ape

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

So, I just read through the 49 pages of this thread, ok, I skimmed a few posts but I pretty much read the entire thing. You guys all have plenty of opinions about SCAD, Ringling, and Gobliens, and created an insightful discussion about them. Now I'm interested to hear what you guys, especially those with experience in the industry, think about CalArts for character animation (expecially in recent years) and how good of a job does their handful of computer animation electives do in teaching 3D.

fyi, I've been admited but I was also admitted elsewhere so insight on this topic is greatly appreciated.

lol why is that u guys are just talkin abt SCAD and ringling? hw abt Rochester institute of technologys art and design schoold or academy of arts university ?? cna any one tell me is academyofarts university in san fransico is a gud animation college?

sheridan

Hi everyone!

I'm back from Sheridan. Really worth the visit! The tour, the energy, and the
level of work was great. Definitely at the top of my list for east coast schools. Now if I can get in? I have to draw, draw, and draw.

I call the visit of all these schools my " inspirational tour ". Very motivating...
and exciting. What was most surprising was how different they all are.
Thank you all for the wealth of information in this thread.

Nat

grad school

I've also read through all 49 pages but I wanted to get some suggestions about school after graduating with my Bachelor's. I'm majoring in Film and minoring in Art - taking a drawing class, a 2d animation class, a class on 3d animation, two "studio fundamentals" courses and two classes on Photoshop/Illustrator and Flash. I hope to have a decent portfolio upon graduating.

I've read on these forums that having an awesome reel surpasses having an MFA but I'm not sure which school, as a 33 year old just breaking into the field with minimal art background, would be best. I've talked to people at Rochester Institute of Technology, have gotten in touch with Max the Mutt and have catalogs/admission packets from SCAD and School of Visual Arts in NYC. What are some other realistic options? I'm willing to leave the US and even North America if I have to - I'd like to look into Gobelins since I love Paris but my French is less than decent and won't be any better by the time I graduate.

Thanks for that response Jim. I know that you can't tell yet about this year's graduates from Ringling...but has the response so far been positive? Are the recruiters as optimistic? I looked at the url Ed sent and the work looks just amazing!!!

Yes... the response has been great.
We will put up this year's work (class of '06) in a few weeks.
It looks amazing!

Jim.
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Hi all,

I've just been accepted to Calarts' Character Ani program and will start in the fall. I'm from England so it's gonna be a big step for me, but one i've been looking forward to for a while. Just working with all the costs now which should be fun!!

Anyone got any advice on people/companies to contact in regards to scholarships and what not. I just applied for the Warners Bros. Animation Scholarship, and will here about that soon - but apart from that, it's pretty sparce out there. I've entered a few comps here and there, but other than that, finaid is a very rare thing for animation (well, privatley anyway). Everyone at the school just kinda waits till they're there, and deal with it then. They say its easier that way - once in, to start establishing finaid links. But i've always thought its best to come prepared, or atleast to your best degree.

This thread is an interesting read, especially for someone in my position. Seems there's a fair share of negative feedback from college expereince in animation, so it seems the advice generally is 'you really do have to work hard to get the absolute most outta your money'. For me aswell, being an international, its also about making connections that i'd never be able to establish from the South-west of england, and hopefully work hard, and get my way in to where i wanna be - kinda using James Baxter as an example/aspiration! (who was also from the SW of England!) haha, well - i can atleast dream, its a start!!

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Thank you very much DSG. That does help :)

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ringling & scad

I can't wait.....Ringling seems to be in an amazing Renaissance of talent and great work.

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PS

I forgot to mention that I visited the Gobelins school in Paris last year. The student work is by far the best I have seen!!
There is an entrance exam for admission. In my opinion it's impossible to
pass this exam straight out of High School. You really need some undergraduate experience first.( unless you are an animating genius ). I think it's more realistic to apply after the BA......and yes, you have to speak French.

Nat

I'd just like to add that although we are a very small school with very small graduating classes, almost everyone who has graduated is employed and continues to be employed in the industry! Even students who didn't make it through to graduation are working, and thanking us for two things: drawing skills before computer, and the emphasis on professionalism. You are preparing for a career! Take the time to prepare well.

another great school that i think a lot of people seem to not know about is School of Visual Arts. i'm going to be a sophomore there in the fall. the school is located in manhattan, not too far from times square/42nd street @ east 23rd and 3 ave. www.schoolofvisualarts.edu if u wana check it out! :)

Hello Again.

To answer a few questions...

SCAD gives folks a chance that they would not have at other schools. We don't have a portfolio requirement except for scholarships. So it gives more than a few "diamonds on the rough" the opportunity to make something of themselves.

I probably am the toughest grader in animation at SCAD and I try to keep the standards high- very high - several former students work at the higest levels of the industry. I do my bit... several hundred former students in the industry.

By thr way...those really good 2D students are working at many levels of 2D and 3D.

Remember, 3D studios don't have time nor are they disposed to teach art and animation but they DO teach 3D- they have to deal with updates and new software/hardware issues.

The latest Pixar job announcement says...."3D experience preferred but necessary...."

They will be here this week...

By the way, Glenn Vilppu is back at SCAD for another full quarter of teaching...niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Thanks.

I haven't heard anything positive about the SVA, and a couple negative things, but the source of the negativity was from a less than serious source on every occasion, and I have to say the description the school has about the particulars of what goes on there is very exciting.

It was actually a choice I had to make in the past, between them and the University of the Arts in Philadelphia (never to be confused with the Art Institute there).......I moved to Florida before a decision could be made.

Check it out though.

I agree with all of this it's like you have no options for legitimate schools except for one school on this continent. There's only one school.

lol why is that u guys are just talkin abt SCAD and ringling? hw abt Rochester institute of technologys art and design schoold or academy of arts university ?? cna any one tell me is academyofarts university in san fransico is a gud animation college?

I hear a lot of good things about that school, I'm actually setting up everything to fly out there and see...
I'm also looking at Ex'pression college just over the bay area near that school.

No school can guarantee jobs! I remember when there were no jobs for lawyers. Right now in Ontario there are no jobs for art teachers, and when i was younger there were no jobs for elementary school teachers. Things can go in cycles. Last year all the animation companies were desperate for 2D computer animators. Our school was visited by recruiters from Vancouver, Ottawa and the east coast! We are in Toronto. I'll let you know what happens this year.

You have a legitimate gripe if you were assured there would be a good job with a big salary. No one can guarantee that! There are also questions to ask about curriculum, class size, length of the program, and faculty.

Our tuition is very affordable (our mandate is to be available to talented individuals), so the amount of debt is much less than at most top schools. Our curriculum is very deep,the number of students employed has been very high (because the industry has been flourishing) and we prepare students for the real world. However, there will still be people who don't find jobs.

I haven't seen your portfolio or demo reel. I know nothing about your professionalism. All of these factors come into play. Right now you need to accept your situation, figure out what you need to work on to get a better demo reel and portfolio together, and try again.

Years ago (at another school) I had a student who didn't get any offers from top companies. His girl friend got 3 offers, and the two of them took off for California. About a year later I received a fax from him. He'd studied more, redone his demo reel and portfolio, and was offered more than one job at a top company. I appreciated his taking the trouble to let me know.

I hope things get better for you.

I'm hoping VFS's two year program will reduce the art school BS.

Oh, VFS is a two year program now. I remember hearing about it being a one year program. A 6 month crash course on art & animation fundamentals and 6 months to put a student film together for the industry. Needless to say, many people found it rough.

A two year program sounds much more viable. (btw, I went through a 3 year program a found it to be just right, office and/or financial politics aside ;) ).

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cna any one tell me is academyofarts university in san fransico is a gud animation college?

Hahahaha, I read it as 'academy o farts'!!

I graduated from the Academy of Art. While I was there they had a really strong Illustration department and their Computer animation department was really starting to grow. There were some amazing instructors and classes there. Just in the studio I work at, six of my class mates have worked as animators.

On a side note, several of the founders of Animation Mentor were instructors at AAU and left to start their own animation school. I just graduated from Animation Mentor, and they are a great school to expand and refine your animation skills.

Aloha,
the Ape

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

Industrial Design Centre, IIT Bombay
Powai, Mumbai 400076
India
Phone: 91-22-576 7801
Fax: 91-22-576 7803
e-mail: Office[at]idc.iitb.ac.in

MAEER's MIT Institute of Design, Pune
"Rajbaug", Loni-Kalbhor,
Pune-412201, Maharastra, India
Phone: +91 - 20 39210183/ 91 20 39210122, 9850994211/9822462155
Contact: design[at]mitpune.com

Srishti School of Design, Bangalore
Srishti School of Art, Design and Technology
P.O. Box No. 6430, Yelahanka New Town,
Doddabalapur Road, Opp. Wheel & Axle plant
Bangalore-560 064, India
Phone: 91.80.28462506/07/08, 28560238.
TeleFax: 91.80.28560240
Contact: admissions[at]srishti.ac.in

Graphiti School of Animation, Mumbai
Graphiti School of Animation
404, Udyog Mandir no 2, Mogul Lane, Mahim West, Mumbai - 400016.
Phone: 022 24440107 / 32448544
Mobile: 09833841580
Contact: training[at}graphiti.net

Toonz Animation Acsademy, Trivandrum, Mumbai, New Delhi, Nagpur, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad and Indore
731-739 Nila, Technopark Campus
Trivandrum, Kerala 695 581
India
Phone: 0471- 6451415, 17, 18
e-mail: info[at]toonzacademy.com

Toonz Webel Academy, Kolkata
Block BP, Plot 5, Sector V
Bidhan Nagar, Salt Lake,
Kolkata 700091, India
Phone : 91-33 23577768 / 23674872
Fax : 91-33 23571708
email: webel[at]vsnl.com / academic[at]toonzwebelacademy.com

I'm the Director of Max the Mutt, so I'm definitely not entirely objective. However, the structure of the school lends itself to a more professional environment. The age range is greater than at most schools. The quality of instruction is excellent. The class size is small, and the employment stats of our graduates into the animation industry has been around 90% the last three years. Tuition is very, very affordable as compared to US rates.

If you are close enough, I suggest visiting.

P.S. The web site is www.maxthemutt.com, telephone- 1-877-486-MUTT.

NYU Tisch Asia Animation Program: Application Deadline Extension

Hi Everyone,

Some of you may be interested to learn that NYU Tisch School of the Arts has opened a new branch campus in Singapore. The school offers MFA programs in Dramatic Writing, Film Production, and Animation and Digital Arts (applications will now be accepted through 1 February 2008).

If you'd like to learn more info, please visit our website!
http://www.tischasia.nyu.edu.sg/

I hope this info is helpful!

Hi Larry,

Yes, Pixar will be at Ringling this week too. Several of the studios lump visits
to our schools in the same trip. I wonder how long it has been since any of
the major studios have hired someone as an animator that didn't have 3D
experience? Years ago they certainly did, but now... if they are looking at two
candidates whose demo reels are equally strong... one is 3D and the other is
strictly traditional, who do you think they will hire?

They will hire the 3D person. The reason- the studios know that training a
traditional animator to go totally 3D has about a 50% success rate, and takes months of training. (I suspect you know that since you were from Disney).
On the other hand, the 3D hire would represent no risk as far as adapting to
the technology, and would quite possibly be productive from day one. Which
makes the most business sense?

Do you have the recruiting stats from SCAD's class of '05? How many traditional students went to the big studios from last year's graduating class?

That's great that Glenn is there for a quarter. We have had him here several
times for extended workshops and he is awesome! Is he working as an
adjunct instructor, or doing workshops?

Jim.
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I graduated from AAU back in 1999. Back then, they had a very strong Illustration department as well as a Computer Animation department. When I started in 1995 their Traditional Animation department was non-existent. That turned around about 1997 and they were developing a pretty solid traditional course by the time I left.

I'm not sure how the program is now. I hear it's good and has a strong Computer Animation department.

My suggestion, and this is for all art schools, is to talk to the talented upper classmen in your department who's work is the top. Find out which teachers they feel are really good. Take their classes whether they are tough, bitches or what ever. If they are good you will learn the most from them. So change your class schedual around so you can take the best classes with the best teachers. If you have to stay in school a few semesters longer, do it. It will be worth it.

Also take advantage of the free drawing, painting, and sculpture workshops. They have work shops almost every night.

AAU is an open enrollment school. So this means if your check clears, you're in the school. This is why you need to talk to your classmates to find what are the best classes with the best teachers. They will sever you better than your advisers. A good tip is if students complain that a certain teacher is hard or gives lots of homework. Odds are you want to take their class.

Good luck.

Thanks for the advice in dealing with the school. I'll keep them in mind, if I am to go there.

RTB, congratulations on the CalArts acceptance. I hope God blesses me with a similar opportunity.

Advice Appreciated

Hello, I am going to be applying to schools in half a year, and I would really appreciate any advice on my situation.

I currently live near Toronto, and I'm interested in applying to a University/College for Animation. I have no boundaries on what country I am going to study in, I am just looking for a nice school where I will be satisfied.
I am actually more interested in 2D animation than 3D, but I really want to be very well rounded in both areas. (Interested mostly in working with animated series, comics and games mostly.) I saw the debate on Ringling vs. SCAD, but I am still unsure. From what I was getting, Ringling seems to have a friendlier atmosphere, but more reliant on use of CG? Is there another school I should be checking out? Sheridan seems interesting, but I really don't know what to do.

I also believe I need to do A LOTof work before applying. I'm pretty much one dimensional at the moment, and even the 2D art I do is fairly amateurish. I'm also pretty horrible at real life drawings. I was thinking of taking classes online or in person, but I'm not sure if it's worth it either. I'm also worried about getting accepted. I have considerably high marks, but I'm pretty sure it's mostly the drawing that counts.

Thanks.

Hi there.

Well...it seems most of what I was going to say has been said already :). I'm a Ringling freshman right now in the CA program. So, I may be a bit biased towards it :) (plus I don't know too much about SCAD).

It's true that school is only what you make of it. Ringling may be able to help get your foot in the door, but you have to be able to perform. I won't be able to give as much insight as the seniors here can.

Hmm...I'm trying to think of something that hasn't been said so far. I guess I can give you a list of pros and cons about the school from my point of view.

Pros:
1. Closeknit community - At least in your major. You will most likely know everyone who's in your class and major. There's about 90 freshmen or so which is pretty tiny compared to what I'm used to (500 student lecture halls). I really like how the school has small classes. It really does help to get individual attention.
2. Up-to-date technology - Every two years, the computers in the CA program are upgraded to keep up with the need for more power.
3. New facilities - There's a new building being constructed right now and the CA dept will have an entire floor to themselves. It's gonna be awesome.
4. Location - We're really close to the gulf coast shore, so if you're a beach bum you'll love Sarasota. I really don't like going too much so...eh :).
5. Dedicated students - There's a lot of people here who are extremely talented and they want to be an animator. It's like it's in their bones. You'll see these people in the labs all the time, working their brains out. Course with a gigantic loan looming over your head, you gotta work all the time :P
6. Faculty - From what little experience I've had with Ringling teachers, so far it has been really positive. There are some really knowledgeable teachers here who are working professionals so they really do know their stuff.
7. Career services - They fight tooth and nail to get you a job. Teachers have been known to go out of their way to talk to potential employers too about certain students. If you work hard here and get noticed, you will get hired somewhere.

Cons:
1. Commons food - Yeah...a lot of people complain about it. It doesn't have the most variety around. For the most part, it'll be typical "American" cuisine. Burgers,hot dogs, salads, wraps, sandwiches and a different entree a day. It just gets boring after a while. Plus, the quality is not too good.
2. Food in the general area - I'm a fan of ethnic food. I like authenticity in my cuisine especially Chinese. I just miss having the real thing. There are very few restaurants around with authentic ethnic foods. And in places where they do have stuff that is close, most of the menu is americanized. While I can deal with it, I just miss the comforts of home.
3. Water - I drink bottled water only. The water here is pretty nasty straight from the tap. Even when filtered, it feels a bit slimy and tastes flat.
haha noticing a trend here? :P
4. Cost - Yes, the cost is fairly high if you don't have some form of financial aid. But, I guess college is an investment. It would be a whole lot better if we didn't have debt going out into the real world, but for some of us who can't really learn using a book and lots of free time, we need a school-like environment to grow and learn.

Hope that helps some. :)

It seems I caught this tread a little late, and yes, most arguments have already been voiced. However:

I graduated from SCAD in 04. From my experiences there, it seemed that SCAD was more "technical" in nature, meaning beautiful rendered 3D-but many times lifeless in acting. SCAD seemed to push the technical aspect of 3D and FX more than storytelling. Ringling's student work many times seemed to be more compelling, more full of life--as if their curriculum stressed story a little more than the coding and scripting of a skeletal foot rig.

But, as said many times here, it definitely IS what you put in that you will get out of a college. And the professors are top notch, especially Lary whose Layout class gave me the skills to rise up to key player status at the studio where I am currently working. So, thank you, Larry.

Max the Mutt Animation School, Toronto

We have our year end show on right now! I suggest that you book a tour, or just drop in. Student films are on view in the theatre, and third and fourth year grad work is on display, as well as quite a lot of second year work. Check out our web site, www.maxthemutt.com. We offer a very deep traditional program based on Disney and Warner Bros guidelines, plus an excellent fourth year advanced diploma in 3D Computer Animation and Production. Our instructors are all first rate working professionals, and our class size is small.You owe it to yourself to take a good look.

PS We offer a one month intensive in July that includes life drawing every day for 3 hours, two weeks of 3 hour perspective instruction, and two weeks of three hour classes using still life to teach basic drawing principles. From what you have written, it sounds as if this exactly what you need! We keep classes small , so if you're interested look into it soon.

Other Animation Schools:

Otis College of Art & Design
Los Angeles, CA USA
www.otis.edu

Art Center College of Design
Pasadena, CA USA
www.artcenter.edu

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Best Schools on this Continent

Here are my best schools on this Continent- in no particular order:

CalArts
San Francisco Academy of the Arts
Max and Mutt
Vancouver Film School
Columbus College of Art and Design - Ohio
Art Center College of Design - Pasadena ( no animation major- just GREAT ART TRAINING)
Ringling
De Anza College- San Jose
Sheridan College

THATS ALL FOLKS

hi animated ape am frm INDIA and am considering to join either SCAD or AAU after my bachelors is it true that AAU admits 100 % the students who apply for masters programme? i mean dont they look into ur academic score or the high school scores?
2ndly is the tution fee for masters in animation $18000? well i found that to be lil cheaper when compared to 24k and 36k of SCAD and RIT :-| . could u just temme is accomadation a big problem in SF? since am frm india i have no idea abt the cost of living in SF , i see that they have dormitories which cost $3600 per quarter ! which is jus 22222222 much can we share the dormitory with 3 ppl?

and lastly i dont have strong drawing skills i mean i cant really draw that well is it goin to be a barrier ??

Maybe Even Lower For Some

One place I taught has/had almost 750 undergrads in animation and another 125 or so grad students - I know of only two people from this school who are working on features. - as animators.

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Oh okay, simple miscommunication. I understand.

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Saigon, lack of drawing skills is going to be a barrier for you going into any art school. It's a huge barrier if you want to go into animation. But that is why you're going to school. If you were a drawing expert, you'd be working at a studio already. :D

I'm not sure about the master's program at the Academy of Art, but I went there for the BFA program, and they had an open enrollment. Meaning, if your check cleared, you're accepted. Also I'd suggest going in to the BFA program instead of the masters. At least for American citizens, it's cheaper than the master's program and it's pretty much the same classes. The only thing you really need a masters degree is if you want to teach at a college level.

Cost of living is quite high in San Francisco. Probably one of the highest in all of California. Their dorms are pretty good and they are right in down town, so you are in the middle of everything and close to the school buildings. Once you're there for a year and get to know other students and the area, I'd suggest moving out. You can find cheaper apartments in the area, esspecially if you have a room mate.

I hope that helps you out some. Good luck.

Aloha,
the Ape

...we must all face a choice, between what is right... and what is easy."

Thanks for posting all the details of art and animation schools here on one thread...
All the schools and their information at one place is quiet helpful for those looking for animation schools...
Keep posting

Well, year one is a kind of fundamentals of art and design. Acutally, I'm being allowed to skip that year and go right into year two, which is very hands-on and assumes you've got the fundamentals down. I'm kind of thinking of it as a cartonnist's boot camp.

Sketch 2d, thanks for your post, because it may clear things up for some people. You are correct about Ringling not really being technical at all. We have no scripting classes, and while we are taught the basics of rigging sophomore year, most juniors and seniors choose to use automated rigging scripts to allow them to get to the animation part of production much more quickly. Acting is the #1 focus, with acting classes being part of the curriculum sophomore year. For many years Ringling has had a close relationship with Florida Studio Theater. We've had people from there do voice acting for us this year and I learned a tremendous amount working with them.

If you decide to go to Ringling, you won't be making it to the beach too often! I just wanted to be honest!

Also if you are concerned about the commons food at Ringling, take comfort in knowing that the new student government has brought the issue up and is going to work on it until it is solved! If I weren't about to graduate in 2-3 weeks, I would definitely be helping too.

@ animated ape thanks for the info man well am just a poor artist when it comes to human anatomy or animals otherwise am an ok sort of artist .

2ndly what is the duration of the BFA course and what wud be the total expenses of the course? well am more intrested towards 3D animation which i think doest really require too much of drawing skills ..does 3D animation too require strong drwing skills??

lastly does AAU provide any kind of scholarships or financial aid?? well for the MFA course is $18000 per year can u just estimate the total other expenses by the end of the year? can we work as soon as we start the masters programme? if yes for hw many hours ???
regards,

ryan

Thank you guys for the comments, they were really helpful :)

At an Art and Animation school, you'll start with fundamentals like design and drawing which, along with studies in areas like color theory, digital video editing, and computer applications, will help you build a solid foundation of the skills you'll need. From there, you'll build an ability to express your ideas in pictures and words, gaining a strong working knowledge of storyboarding, scriptwriting, scenic layout, 2D and 3D animation, digital video editing, and more.

They will hire the 3D person. The reason- the studios know that training a
traditional animator to go totally 3D has about a 50% success rate, and takes months of training. (I suspect you know that since you were from Disney).
On the other hand, the 3D hire would represent no risk as far as adapting to
the technology, and would quite possibly be productive from day one. Which
makes the most business sense?

Okay, you have GOT to be a freshman, because I really thought animators who thought that way were extinct.

Listen.... a studio would rather hire an animator with a solid background in traditional skills to switch to 3D than a technical master in... say, Maya.

Why? Because the time-tested fundamentals of animation carry over to any medium, whether it's traditional or 3D or stop motion or Flash or whatever. Maya is the current "flavor of the month". In a year or two, there will be a new flavor. What will happen to that 3D person? He'll be replaced by someone who knows how to animate.

Where did you hear that 50% stuff? ANOTHER freshman?

C'mon Animation Mentor guys... back me up here!

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San Francisco Academy of the Arts

Is that the same as Academy of Art University? Cause I have it on good authority that's not really a good school.

Hi Mleen, and welcome to the AWN Forums. Yeah, there are a lot of options in the Bay Area. I went to the Academy of Art College, now University for four years. It's a good school, and I think they have a good 3D animation program, I was in the traditional department. I would not recomend Cogswell. I've heard good things about De Anza, and SF State University is, or at least was on PIXAR's list of schools on their website. I don't know much about their program though. San Jose State also has a really good Illistration program, but I don't know if they teach animation. You can also look into AnimationMentor.com. It was set up by animators from PIXAR and ILM. They only teach character animation. No modeling, rigging or lighting. It's mostly Maya, but you can do your animation assignments in any medium you want.

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the Ape

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hey animated ape what is the duration of the masters programme in animation and VFX at Academy of art university ?? is it 2 yrs ? or more??

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