Thundercats Ho! An Interview with Mike Jelenic

Martin "Dr. Toon" Goodman chats with producer/writer Mike Jelenic about the approach to rebooting Thundercats.
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Wilykat and Wilykit were given a revamp in order to distinguish them from the other young characters.

Dr. T: Yeah, I noticed that little riff between Cheetara and Lion-O – she keeps following him around and looking at him – then that disappeared for a few episodes.

MJ:  That little character beat of Cheetara's, following him around, we don't give a definitive answer to that until, I think, Episode 14. If you invest in the show, with each episode you'll get more out of it.

Dr. T:  I understand that Snarf was nearly left out of the reboot.

MJ:  He came very close several times to getting the ax. He was a character that everybody loves to hate. Now, I had fond memories of Snarf from the original series, but I understand that a lot of people did not want him in this version. Before Ethan Spaulding, we had another producer on the show, and the only way he was going to have Snarf on the show was if he was a serious, deadly pet, like a guard dog. I didn't mind that take – it was sort of an interesting thing to flip what people's perception of Snarf was, but his role on the old show was comic relief, so I felt more comfortable being able to go in that direction. When Ethan came on, he had a great take on Snarf, that new look – which I think is adorable – and in the way Snarf would contribute to the show, which was comic relief, but not as annoying. That was our compromise: Snarf would stay in the show but he won't talk.

Dr. T: Speaking of characters that people loved to hate, one feeling I got from old fans of the show was that Wilykat and Wilykit were not well liked. In fact, a read an interview with Peter Lawrence, who was a head writer on the 80s' show, and he said he hated those characters, never liked writing for them. But in the reboot, they seem to have so much more appeal. How did you develop them?

MJ:  Oh, something interesting – Peter Lawrence will actually be writing an upcoming episode. A lot of old fans will appreciate seeing his name up there on the screen. You know, Kit and Kat were challenges in a different way than Snarf was, because I never thought they had a clearly defined role on the other series, they were just a pair of teenagers. Part of our problem, if we were going to have them in this series, was that Lion-O is a teenager in this show, and if Kit and Kat were teenagers too, everyone sort of gets lost by being the same. Because of that, it allowed us to take those two characters and make them younger than they were on the original series. By making them five years younger, we gave them so much more charm.

The other choice we made, and I think it was a wise one, was casting real children. By the fourth episode, they were my favorite characters because the show has a lot of dark, epic tones to it and every time Kit and Kat are on the screen they exude an upbeat joy, so you know if you see them you're going to be smiling, and I appreciate the dimension that these characters bring to the show.

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The fate of King Claudus is just one element that brings emotional weight to the new series.

Dr. T: There's a really moving scene in, I think, the second episode where we see Wilykat playing his "flupe" over the smoldering ruins of Thundera while the other characters mourn King Claudus. That was haunting, and very well done.

MJ:  You're going to get some backstory about where that song came from. It's very effective when that theme is played, so it's something to look for in future episodes.

Dr. T: Besides Kit and Kat, I notice that you've changed the ages of some other members of the cast. Panthro seems older and more grizzled than he did in the original series. Was that intentional as well?

 MJ: Yeah, again it's that sense of setting up different "silhouettes" that are identifiable. In his case, Cheetara, Lion-O, Tygra were all going to be in the 18-20 year old range, and it made sense to throw a veteran into the group, someone who has some experience. Emotionally, he works on a different level because he has maturity. That's the reason we went that way with Panthro. He's probably a lot of people's favorite character from the last series, just because he was so cool, and it's that much cooler if he's a veteran. He fights just as well as anybody half his age, but he's seen twice as much stuff.

Dr. T:  Who is your favorite characters – or characters – to write for?

MJ:  They all have their own challenges. Wilykit and Wilykat are usually my favorites. I always love writing comedy, I think of myself as a comedy guy, even though I've only worked on action-adventure shows. As far as Kit and Kat, they seem to sort of stand out from the plot, so when you see them it doesn't necessarily have to tie into the larger story. It's a moment to charm the audience and have fun. I think you'll see in some future episodes that we take their scenes pretty far.







Comments


Good job maknig it appear easy.

Nyvaeh (not verified) | Fri, 10/07/2011 - 20:36 | Permalink

Now we know who the senisble one is here. Great post!

Amberly (not verified) | Wed, 10/05/2011 - 23:32 | Permalink

You guys are Gay.

Why dont you take 7-Zark-7 and Snarf him up each others Ass.

Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:13 | Permalink

I was eleven in 1985 and I just could not appreciate the original show but this one is definitely appealing to me now. It fixes a lot of what I saw as characterization flaws in the original. I am very happy with how Snarf is handled here because I just don't think that character would work as it was originally executed. Or at least it wouldn't work in a show that takes itself seriously nowadays.

One of the other problems I had was how Lion-O was just automatically accepted as their leader from the start when he was totally unproven. I really sympathize with Tygra in the new show because his attitude embodies a lot of the doubts I had about the original show's premise. Why should they have followed Lion-O right out the gate? Tygra's become the guy people love to hate now but I can't say I blame him for acting as he does.

I'm enjoying the pacing of the episodes. It actually feels like epic storytelling and not just a toy commercial. The villains aren't one dimensional as they were in the original series. I feel like I can understand where the conflict is coming from. I like how Lion-O is a lot more human. I am so glad he doesn't have the super heroic body and voice of the original. He's more identifiable and flawed and I don't always like him because he's so stubborn but that's the fun of it. I yell at him through the television a lot.

I have a four year old so Kit and Kat really get me in the gut sometimes. Their story is so tragic and probably the most emotionally compelling to me. I'm really getting attached to those two so I hope their arc resolves in a happy ending but what I like about this show is that it feels like nobody is guaranteed anything just because they're a "good" guy. It's beautiful stuff. I almost started crying during the Petallers episode and I had to laugh it off in front of my wife!

I really enjoy this iteration and it's made me a fan of the Thundercats concept whatever that's worth. I was always more of a robot guy so I never expected I'd be loving the Thundercats over the new Voltron and Transformers. What a 180 degree turnaround this is from 1985!

Steve K. Macrocranios (not verified) | Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:44 | Permalink

This reboot is seriously lacking. First off, NOT everyone hated Snarf the way he was, but that's not a big deal. Tygra as Lion-O's adopted brother seems rather pointless. He started out acting like an a-hole, but now he accepts Lion-O? How come Panthro was brought in on the 4th episode? Wily Kat and Kit are super annoying and bratty! And Mum-ra seems to have NO balls. And he drives a mummymobile? WTH????

And talking about not just throwing random characters in? What about the episode where Lion-O goes into the book and you had the Tigersharks and Mon-Starr in there?

I'm glad if it is indeed doing well, but to this fan, it's a bunch of malarky, with very little story continuity and plot holes that could swallow third earth!

Kevin (not verified) | Wed, 09/21/2011 - 11:20 | Permalink

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