Thundercats Ho! An Interview with Mike Jelenic

Martin "Dr. Toon" Goodman chats with producer/writer Mike Jelenic about the approach to rebooting Thundercats.
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Lion-O rights the wrong of the imprisoned lizards as one of the show's moral lessons.

Dr. T: One sense I got from the first episode was that of epic splendor – sort of like having Lion-O and Tygra playing the roles of Moses and Ramses in The Ten Commandments, with King Claudus as Pharaoh. I felt this even more keenly when Lion-O tried to defend the lizard prisoners.

MJ: Yeah, absolutely. We wanted this take to be very epic, so we referenced a lot of myths, whether they be Biblical or from science-fiction movies. We wanted to portray a classic "Hero's Journey," and you can see some of that influence in the first pilot. It's difficult to tell an epic tale in television animation. First, there's the budget, which is not quite the same as you would get for a feature. Then there's the space: you have only 22 minutes to tell an epic story. But somehow, especially on the art side, with Ethan Spaulding and Dan Norton and our partners in Japan, Studio 4ºC, they've managed to make this one of the best-looking shows I've ever seen as far as television animation goes.

Dr. T.: You've been involved with many animated projects developed out of the DC comics line. How did working with major comic book characters influence your work on Thundercats?

MJ: The one thing I've learned over the years when working with the DC line is the pitfalls of reinterpreting classic characters, where you could go right or wrong, because I came to the DC characters not really knowing too much about them outside of Batman. I've since become an expert on all things DC. Through each reinterpretation, whether it was Wonder Woman or Batman or Superman – I even worked on Legion of Superheroes – seeing of how fans reacted to little tweaks I made here or there gave me a better understanding of what parts of certain characters they would let me change – or not change. So that helped me immensely in reinterpreting the Thundercats.

That said, we had a lot more freedom to reinterpret the Thundercats than I ever had with the DC characters. DC has a specific take on all their characters. Getting to play with the Thundercats a little more, to take them "out of the sandbox" and see what we came up with was liberating. Of course, it gives us the chance to make bigger mistakes and take the characters off in completely the wrong direction, but I don't think we did that.

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Lion-O has to earn the respect of the others before they all accept him as their king.

Dr: T.: I recall that the original show liked to present moral lessons along with the stories. I see that you've kept that aspect in the reboot, especially in that episode "Song of the Pedlars".

MJ:  That was actually one of Sam Register's notes early on: that we retain that from the original series because was such a big part of it. They had a staff psychologist that helped dictate what these lessons were, and that might be one reason why Thundercats resonated so much with that generation. They look at these Thundercats almost like they're teachers. For a modern audience, we wanted to make sure that that Lion-O was learning a character lesson that helped his hero journey from prince to king. Half of the episodes – maybe more –focus on a lesson very easily identified by our age 6-11 audience that would be the payoff for the episode in terms of what Lion-O learned.

Dr. T: One thing I've enjoyed, in the episodes aired to date, is the fact that it's taken five episodes for all the other characters to finally accept Lion-O as king. I like the way that took time to develop, especially given only 22 minutes to tell a story. You really took your time with that part of the journey.

MJ:  If it was up to us, we would have taken even a little more time, but we didn't want to drag things out for the sake of dragging them out. At the same time, we wanted to give each moment it's proper due as part of building that sense of epic. Some people may have had a lot of questions at the end of the pilot, and we were conscious of doing that. This is a series that viewers are going to have to "earn". They'll need to tune in every week whether it's to learn part of the backstory from the characters or to see them accomplish something we set up five episodes earlier.

It's a challenge mapping all of that out, making sure how it plays and setting the pacing, but it's one of the more interesting aspects of this series as compared to some of the other action-adventure series that are on right now. It makes Thundercats more rewarding to watch.







Comments


Good job maknig it appear easy.

Nyvaeh (not verified) | Fri, 10/07/2011 - 20:36 | Permalink

Now we know who the senisble one is here. Great post!

Amberly (not verified) | Wed, 10/05/2011 - 23:32 | Permalink

You guys are Gay.

Why dont you take 7-Zark-7 and Snarf him up each others Ass.

Anonymous (not verified) | Thu, 09/29/2011 - 21:13 | Permalink

I was eleven in 1985 and I just could not appreciate the original show but this one is definitely appealing to me now. It fixes a lot of what I saw as characterization flaws in the original. I am very happy with how Snarf is handled here because I just don't think that character would work as it was originally executed. Or at least it wouldn't work in a show that takes itself seriously nowadays.

One of the other problems I had was how Lion-O was just automatically accepted as their leader from the start when he was totally unproven. I really sympathize with Tygra in the new show because his attitude embodies a lot of the doubts I had about the original show's premise. Why should they have followed Lion-O right out the gate? Tygra's become the guy people love to hate now but I can't say I blame him for acting as he does.

I'm enjoying the pacing of the episodes. It actually feels like epic storytelling and not just a toy commercial. The villains aren't one dimensional as they were in the original series. I feel like I can understand where the conflict is coming from. I like how Lion-O is a lot more human. I am so glad he doesn't have the super heroic body and voice of the original. He's more identifiable and flawed and I don't always like him because he's so stubborn but that's the fun of it. I yell at him through the television a lot.

I have a four year old so Kit and Kat really get me in the gut sometimes. Their story is so tragic and probably the most emotionally compelling to me. I'm really getting attached to those two so I hope their arc resolves in a happy ending but what I like about this show is that it feels like nobody is guaranteed anything just because they're a "good" guy. It's beautiful stuff. I almost started crying during the Petallers episode and I had to laugh it off in front of my wife!

I really enjoy this iteration and it's made me a fan of the Thundercats concept whatever that's worth. I was always more of a robot guy so I never expected I'd be loving the Thundercats over the new Voltron and Transformers. What a 180 degree turnaround this is from 1985!

Steve K. Macrocranios (not verified) | Thu, 09/29/2011 - 20:44 | Permalink

This reboot is seriously lacking. First off, NOT everyone hated Snarf the way he was, but that's not a big deal. Tygra as Lion-O's adopted brother seems rather pointless. He started out acting like an a-hole, but now he accepts Lion-O? How come Panthro was brought in on the 4th episode? Wily Kat and Kit are super annoying and bratty! And Mum-ra seems to have NO balls. And he drives a mummymobile? WTH????

And talking about not just throwing random characters in? What about the episode where Lion-O goes into the book and you had the Tigersharks and Mon-Starr in there?

I'm glad if it is indeed doing well, but to this fan, it's a bunch of malarky, with very little story continuity and plot holes that could swallow third earth!

Kevin (not verified) | Wed, 09/21/2011 - 11:20 | Permalink

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