Speaking For Zimself: A Conversation With Jhonen Vasquez

Martin "Dr. Toon" Goodman invades the mind of Jhonen Vasquez, the creator of Invader Zim, to discuss Zim, Jhonen's ideas and inspirations, and the ups and downs of producing his first animated series.

Dr. T: When the series began, Jhonen, some of the things you had to adjust to were having to do more on the management rather than creative end and having other people bring their styles to your characters. Have you been able to find ways to become more creatively involved with the show this season and put more of your personal stamp on it?

JV: Even from the very beginning I despised all the managerial kind of stuff; can't stand it. I'd rather be sitting there in my room drawing. I'd rather be turning out the character designs. I still do a bunch of character designs, and I do a lot of background work. That first season, even though there was a lot a managerial stuff, it was also compounded with several other full-time jobs in character work. I'm head writer. I'm involved in storyboards and actually going and revising storyboards, and again, doing an obscene amount of character designs. Now all I'm trying to do is keep the amount of creative involvement I have had all this time, but ease off on the managerial side, because now there are people that have shown themselves to be people I can trust to take things over for me. Ultimately I'd like to be able to focus on the writing -- as head writer -- and deal with the overall direction. I do all the voice direction too, and I'd like to stay there. But approving every little background, every design, that's the stuff where I could definitely free a lot of time up and get back to what makes it fun. Which sort of, at this very moment, it is not. It's not as often as I'd like, the amount of actual enjoyment when I'm just sitting there drawing or giggling like a lunatic over some new idea.

Dr. T: Will you eventually be directing episodes yourself?

JV: I don't know. I already do a whole lot in terms of governing what the episode is going to be like; the way the characters act -- that's me, overseeing so much of that. Now the storyboard guys are getting so great that they do all this stuff without me telling them how to do it, but it's still so much fun when I sit down with the script and the board guys. I act out key scenes and I'm telling them, "In this moment, he moves exactly like this!" just to accent that joke. In a way, I am a huge voice in what you actually end up seeing in the episode. Steve Ressel is the animation director and he does a great job of translating all of that. I do so much on the show that I don't know if I need to take on another task.

Dr. T: Steve Ressel has a terrific background in adult animation. He directed on Duckman, God, the Devil, and Bob, and one of my old favorites, Stressed Eric. What has Steve been able to bring to your material?

JV: Well, the coolest thing about Steve is -- a lot of people want to come in on this sort of thing, and they come in from other shows. Some of them are more talented than others, some of them just amazingly talented, but they always want to have a lot more of a voice in my project and what I'm doing. Coming from comics where it's just all me, well, I understand that it's necessary to work with other people but it's also necessary for the show to come as much from my head as possible. Steve does a beautiful job of translating what's in my head into animation. That's the most important thing to me. He treats it so seriously. I say, "I want it to look like a movie; like you're looking at a scene from a movie, not like a flat shot from the Sunday funnies" -- he knows what a dramatic shot is and he knows what a dramatic scene is. I need that for this show because even though it's supposed to be funny, like I always say, the more dramatically it's handled, the funnier it is because it brings a level of absurdity to the joke.

Dr. T: How did you hook up with your writing team?

JV: Currently, we've got three writers. Myself, Rob (Hummel) and Eric (Trueheart). Rob I've known for years; he's a friend of mine and a writer. I'd worked with him on writing scripts on our own, for ourselves. It seemed like a perfect fit to bring him on because he knows what I go for. He knows what I like and what I don't like. He censors himself when he knows there's something I'm going to take out anyhow; he's that much in tune with what I'm going for. And Eric? Actually, we found him when we were going through hundreds of thousands of billions of scripts when we were looking for another writer. It was just a case of us seeing his work. He had done some Internet shorts and his stuff was funny! He had never worked in animation before and had never worked in anything like television before -- and that, I love. I love the fact that a lot of these guys have never worked on any other kind of cartoon, and I can see that they're not pulling from anything else. They're not being inspired by any other show they've worked on, and there's not another definite style coming into it. It's all new to me.

Dr. T: That's as original as you can get.

JV: Yeah, that's really important to me. Some of the most important people on the show, this is our first job. It's all people who haven't been encrusted with years and years of working on other things -- you know, the ones who "know the ropes" and know what you "can't" do -- they're not afraid to try it. Which is the coolest fucking thing about these people.







Comments


Jhonen is a genius. he probably hears this all the time as he should. his comics are amazing and touch on every interesting aspect in society. he is very original in every way. i love invader zim and am looking very forward to watching and reading whatever he comes up with next. i hope he makes a show for HBO, that would be a sight to see. the interview was very interesting and it just makes you want to hang out with him. he seems like hes would probably be one the coolest people in the world. whats funny is he reminds me a lot of my friend john, who just happens to know jhonen somewhat.
Azuma (not verified) | Wed, 07/03/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
I am a huge, HUGE fan of Invader Zim, Squee, JTHM, I Feel Sick, and all of Jhonen Vasquez's work. He truly, truly amazes me. I'm also very, very angry that Nickelodeon is canceling Invader Zim. It's the only cartoon worth watching, and the only show I watch other than Unsolved Myseries and The Unexplained. I'm a lot like Dib. Can you tell? Mainly, I wanted to ask if there is any way of canceling the er...cancellation of IZ?
Invader Vix (not verified) | Wed, 06/26/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
Jhonen Vasquez has to be the one of the greatest artists of all time. To many people over look him and only know him for Invader Zim and don't bother to learn more about his other comics. I really wish I could draw as good as him.. I work really hard too.. But I'm gonna keep working and look at Jhonen as kinda a mentor or hero sorta person. Hey maybe someday I'll hit it big too. *~Magic~* Feel free to e-mail :)
Magic (not verified) | Thu, 06/13/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
Invader Zim is the best show in the entire world!!! Zim is so retarded that it makes me laugh uncontrollably, and GIR is the biggese freak ever!! They're both soooo funny!! Oooh and I like Ms. Bithers too!!! She reminds me of me in my bad moods!!
Gothie Cantu` (not verified) | Tue, 05/28/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
jhonen i love your books and i love you!!!
cidney middleton (not verified) | Fri, 05/24/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
You have an amazing and in depth mind that i dont think i could even begin to understand...but that is what makes you a genius in my point of veiw...keep disturbing the children.
Allison (not verified) | Tue, 05/21/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
I agree! Invader Zim is the best show nickelodean will EVER HAVE! *Does a evil zim laugh*. Sorry! Jhonen Vasquez is a pure genis! I love his work. I love JTHM! I live for it! Squee Shmee is awesome! Jhonen, I LOVE YOU! You're hot! E-mail me sometime! PLEASE! I'M A BIG FAN OF YOU'RE WORK!!!! If you've never heard of JTHM you suck, you should read it!
Lisa (not verified) | Tue, 05/21/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
I am just so amazed by Jhonen Vasquez. I first read his work last year. It was the director's cut of JTHM. I fell in love with it. It's so damn profound in an artistic sense. I'd screw Jhonen in a second. I saw him at comic con. damn. he's hot. but whatev. I'll die a virgin.
Ishtar (not verified) | Fri, 05/17/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
Oh GOD! Why?! Invader ZIM is the ONLY good show on Nick! All the others are so exuberently gay! The saddest thing is that ZIM comes on after the gayest show of them all! I'm lucky I don't shoot myself while that show is playing, only thing holding me back is the knowledge that Invader ZIM is on after it! *sigh* Well, tis too bad you can't do all the things you do in yer comics to ZIM. Nick is so censored! They should change the censorship at the ZIM time slot! Yes! PERFECT! ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE WORLD WILL BE SOLVED!!! WE WILL ALL LIVE IN PEACE AND HARMONY IF THE CENSORSHIP IS CHANGED!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! INSANITY!!!!!! Ahem...sorry, I guess your comics had a bigger influence on me then I had anticipated...heh-heh... But seriously, if Nickelodean were a person, I'd tie him up to a chair and flick him. Yes, flick him many, many times... Would you join me? Together, we'd be an unstoppabled flicky force!!! Nevermind, yer too busy. Though it would be so very fun! Oh well, guess it can't be help. -Later (PS: Don't stop writing comics! Keep writing until the end of your life!!!)
Seth Johnson (not verified) | Mon, 05/06/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
Jhonen is deeeeeeee-leeeeezcious :)
Sonya (not verified) | Thu, 04/25/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink

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