Speaking For Zimself: A Conversation With Jhonen Vasquez

Martin "Dr. Toon" Goodman invades the mind of Jhonen Vasquez, the creator of Invader Zim, to discuss Zim, Jhonen's ideas and inspirations, and the ups and downs of producing his first animated series.

Dr. T: When the series began, Jhonen, some of the things you had to adjust to were having to do more on the management rather than creative end and having other people bring their styles to your characters. Have you been able to find ways to become more creatively involved with the show this season and put more of your personal stamp on it?

JV: Even from the very beginning I despised all the managerial kind of stuff; can't stand it. I'd rather be sitting there in my room drawing. I'd rather be turning out the character designs. I still do a bunch of character designs, and I do a lot of background work. That first season, even though there was a lot a managerial stuff, it was also compounded with several other full-time jobs in character work. I'm head writer. I'm involved in storyboards and actually going and revising storyboards, and again, doing an obscene amount of character designs. Now all I'm trying to do is keep the amount of creative involvement I have had all this time, but ease off on the managerial side, because now there are people that have shown themselves to be people I can trust to take things over for me. Ultimately I'd like to be able to focus on the writing -- as head writer -- and deal with the overall direction. I do all the voice direction too, and I'd like to stay there. But approving every little background, every design, that's the stuff where I could definitely free a lot of time up and get back to what makes it fun. Which sort of, at this very moment, it is not. It's not as often as I'd like, the amount of actual enjoyment when I'm just sitting there drawing or giggling like a lunatic over some new idea.

Dr. T: Will you eventually be directing episodes yourself?

JV: I don't know. I already do a whole lot in terms of governing what the episode is going to be like; the way the characters act -- that's me, overseeing so much of that. Now the storyboard guys are getting so great that they do all this stuff without me telling them how to do it, but it's still so much fun when I sit down with the script and the board guys. I act out key scenes and I'm telling them, "In this moment, he moves exactly like this!" just to accent that joke. In a way, I am a huge voice in what you actually end up seeing in the episode. Steve Ressel is the animation director and he does a great job of translating all of that. I do so much on the show that I don't know if I need to take on another task.

Dr. T: Steve Ressel has a terrific background in adult animation. He directed on Duckman, God, the Devil, and Bob, and one of my old favorites, Stressed Eric. What has Steve been able to bring to your material?

JV: Well, the coolest thing about Steve is -- a lot of people want to come in on this sort of thing, and they come in from other shows. Some of them are more talented than others, some of them just amazingly talented, but they always want to have a lot more of a voice in my project and what I'm doing. Coming from comics where it's just all me, well, I understand that it's necessary to work with other people but it's also necessary for the show to come as much from my head as possible. Steve does a beautiful job of translating what's in my head into animation. That's the most important thing to me. He treats it so seriously. I say, "I want it to look like a movie; like you're looking at a scene from a movie, not like a flat shot from the Sunday funnies" -- he knows what a dramatic shot is and he knows what a dramatic scene is. I need that for this show because even though it's supposed to be funny, like I always say, the more dramatically it's handled, the funnier it is because it brings a level of absurdity to the joke.

Dr. T: How did you hook up with your writing team?

JV: Currently, we've got three writers. Myself, Rob (Hummel) and Eric (Trueheart). Rob I've known for years; he's a friend of mine and a writer. I'd worked with him on writing scripts on our own, for ourselves. It seemed like a perfect fit to bring him on because he knows what I go for. He knows what I like and what I don't like. He censors himself when he knows there's something I'm going to take out anyhow; he's that much in tune with what I'm going for. And Eric? Actually, we found him when we were going through hundreds of thousands of billions of scripts when we were looking for another writer. It was just a case of us seeing his work. He had done some Internet shorts and his stuff was funny! He had never worked in animation before and had never worked in anything like television before -- and that, I love. I love the fact that a lot of these guys have never worked on any other kind of cartoon, and I can see that they're not pulling from anything else. They're not being inspired by any other show they've worked on, and there's not another definite style coming into it. It's all new to me.

Dr. T: That's as original as you can get.

JV: Yeah, that's really important to me. Some of the most important people on the show, this is our first job. It's all people who haven't been encrusted with years and years of working on other things -- you know, the ones who "know the ropes" and know what you "can't" do -- they're not afraid to try it. Which is the coolest fucking thing about these people.







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So I met this guy in college, and he asked me if I had seen Invader Zim. I just stared blankly, and said "no, why?" Well, he had a plethora of episodes downloaded on his computer. I watched a few, and got hooked. Hook, line, and anvil. They were great!! Of course I was disturbed, but I chuckled like a maniac every time. Organs was by far the most detestable work of genius I had ever seen. However, my addiciton to Zim bled into other areas of Vasquez's work. This past summer I was sitting around, musing about my life and how slow things get in the summer when a friend dropped JTHM in my lap. Talk about a God send. I found myself liking Johnny, against all reason, and agreeing with the mundane stupidity of our society. However, I read SQUEE! and when I came to Wobbly Headed Bob, and latched on to his ravings about superiority and supreme intelect, it hit me like a sledgehammer to the cranium: he was a moron. He only thought he was superior, just like Zim. He was self-sabatoging and infectiously unhappy. Good intentions, but the wires got scrambled. Then I laughed, and laughed. Cause you kinda like the creepy, crawly, depraved imaginings in ink laid out beofre you. All I can say is, keep it coming, and let those good heads roll!
Bunny Norton (not verified) | Wed, 10/30/2002 - 01:00 | Permalink
I THINK JHONEN IS THE MOST CREATIVE MIND OUT THERE. EVER SINCE I FIRST SAW INVADER ZIM I HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY JHONEN. I HAVE ALL OF HIS WORKS. I FEEL BAD ABOUT WHAT NICKELODEON DID TO ZIM. I AM ALSO AN ARTIST AND HOPE TO ONE DAY WORK WITH JHONEN. I DREW ON AND OFF FOR YEARS BUT EVER SINCE I WAS INTRODUCED TO JHONEN BRAND OF THINKING I HAVE DRAWN NON-STOP. I ALSO HAVE A COMIC (BINX) AND WHEN IT GETS UP AND RUNNING I WISH TO WORK WITH JHONEN. I HAVE A WEB PAGE TO VOICE MYSELF. http://hometown.aol.com/invaderzim007/myhomepage/profile.html IF JHONEN EVER WANTED TO GET OTHER OF HIS CREATIONS MADE INTO A CARTOON I BET THAT CARTOON-NETWORK WOULD DO IT. ALSO, HE SHOULD MAKE HIS WORK INTO MADE FOR TV MOVIES OR HE COULD EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING HIS STUFF INTO AN ACTUAL BIG SCREEN CARTOON. PLEASE E-MAIL ME BACK.
ZIM (NICK NAME) GLEESON (not verified) | Wed, 10/09/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
jhonen is one of my favourite artist/writers of all time and i've read most of his wor that has been published in australia. oh man i'm still laughing!
grumsica mcshnee (not verified) | Wed, 10/09/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
I love the show Invader Zim. Before it came out I never really liked stations that aired on cable TV. Sure, it's was all cool and stuff when I watched some at a friends house, but I never had it in my own house until I moved to the town limits of oblivan Population: Yanks. But then I started watching Zim and I started thinking of things a little differently. Later on I got into fanfiction and that's how my character, Miz Zag, came into being. And I started using my planet Uvac, which before I watched Zim, only used as a counterworld for my paranormal pixie demons. You might say (actually you WOULD say) that Jhonen and Zim have inspired the more vivid bit of my writing career and brought out my more creative side. I am Miz Zag.
Miz (not verified) | Wed, 10/02/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
i must say that Nick. has not had a cartoon worth watching since Ren and STimpy. but low and behold one day i'm mindless flipping channels and i see IZ. i was in aww that i have found the coolest cartoon ever. it was its own style, and had a smart/sick hummor to it. But no suprise that the jerks at Nick have desided to remove IZ, the only excuse that i can think of for such a stupid move is because they are a bunch of (insert naughty word here) idoits. however, to avoid the rath of zim lovers everywhere they should move the cartoon to mtv (since they own nick), where Zim can freely do as he pleases in his sick own way! lov ya johnen!!! :)
liz (not verified) | Sun, 09/22/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
BEGINNING, ID LIKE TO STATE THAT NICKELODEON RAPES AND DESECRATES EVERYHTING GOOD. MY CHILDHOOD WAS REN AND STIMPY AND ROCKOS MODERN LIFE BASED....THEN IT WENT AWAY. THEY WERENT THE BEST SHOWS BUT A LITTLE SICK HUMO AND A LITTLE DISGUST GOES A LONG WAY FOR A KID.NOW..CANCELLING ZIM EH? BASTARDS!!!FEEL MY VOLUPTUOS CHESSE DOODLE!!!!!!I CANT EVEN LOSE MY MIND AN FURTHER BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE. ZIM BARELY EVEN HAS A CHANCE TO ENTERTAIN MY SICK LITTLE EXISTANCE. EVERY TIME I SEE IT LISTED...ASS UGLY MARTIANS COME ON. WHAT A RIPOFF.OK SORY I HAD TO COMPLAIN. ANYWAYS, IN OTHER NEWS. MR. VASQUEZ, ID LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TO CREATE JOHNNY,SQUEE,ZIM,I FEEL SICK, ALL OF WHICH ARE QUITE THE ENTERTAINMENT TO THE FEW OF US LEFT WHICH HAVE THOUGHT PATTERNS OF THE INTELIGENT NATURE OUT HERE IN GEORGIA.I MYSELF AM AN ARTIST . NOT VERY RENOWNED OR ANYTHING BUT I TRY. IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR WORK SUCH AS YOURS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW AND FINALLY ITS HERE. YES WE GEORGIA PEOPLE STAY IN THE DARK FOR SOME TIME.BUT ANYWHO, THANKS FOR THE INSPERATION. DONT LET OUR WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS , ''THE CRITICS AND GUIDANCES'' WIN. KEEP DRAWING AN DISTURBIBNG THE MINDS OF OUR NATION. GOOD LUCK.....BRANDON
brandon dudley (not verified) | Thu, 08/29/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
I must say that never have i read an interveiw that was so indepth about the very origin of Zim. Jhonen's creativity and motivation comes from within, some thing hard to find now days. Especially the reoccuring theme of the mistreatment of others, which of course points to trama similar to what i went through through school. Feel free to E-mail me if your appriciate the complexity and professionalism of Zim. Hell, you can e-mail me for no damn reason at all if you want.
Gumbi (not verified) | Mon, 08/26/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
AHHHH! I love Jhonen. I have never even seen him, except for his cameo in "invader zim" I wonder how he feels about the cancellation of his show. I certainly think that nickelodeon is a pain. They say that they are cancelling the show due do graphic violence, and then they go off and tell all of his adoring fans that they are gonna make him die in the last episode. The Jerks. Where do they get off? Jhonen has a great mind. He isn't like all the other cartoon creators out there. Jhonen thinks for himself, and he is creative, and Imaginative. He is so great. It sounds like he's been ripped off. If you read this Jhonen, I am sorry!!! Check out my Zim site. http://invaderbuz.tripod.com
Leah Vanderpool (not verified) | Thu, 08/08/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
i really really really like your work.....it gives me something to do before i TRY falling asleep..:) so im wondering why did they cancel IZ?
Melissa Merino (not verified) | Wed, 07/17/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
Jhonen has really influenced my artistic view on life. Johnny kinda made me think about life, and how I'm going to die some horrible death. There was struggle, and question. I've been drawing since I was five, and I've always dreamt of making my own comic one day. I don't know if I'll ever achieve that dream, but I intend to try.
Nick Shogun (not verified) | Sat, 07/06/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink

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