Speaking For Zimself: A Conversation With Jhonen Vasquez

Martin "Dr. Toon" Goodman invades the mind of Jhonen Vasquez, the creator of Invader Zim, to discuss Zim, Jhonen's ideas and inspirations, and the ups and downs of producing his first animated series.

Earth has been invaded by a hostile alien but don't lose any sleep; the invader in question is Zim, the most hapless would-be conqueror in the universe. Although Zim is supremely confident that the world will fall at his tiny green feet, neither he nor his malfunctioning robot GIR can get through a typical day without inflicting disasters of galactic proportions upon themselves. Invader Zim is one of Nickelodeon's hottest new series and it originates from the wickedly fertile mind of writer/artist Jhonen Vasquez, best known for his comic book series Johnny the Homicidal Maniac and SQUEE! (rightfully the world's most phobic little boy). Jhonen recently spoke with me about Zim, his ideas and inspirations, and the ups and downs of producing his first animated series.

Dr. Toon: Let's start out with how Invader Zim came to Nickelodeon. Mary Harrington contacted you after checking out SQUEE! What did Ms. Harrington tell you she liked about the SQUEE! series?

Jhonen Vasquez: I think she saw a certain amount of "kid relatability," mainly in the way I handled the kids and the way Squee's behavior was an overall mood. I don't think anyone would ever want to make SQUEE! into a kids' show -- I don't think anyone would be that insane -- but I think she liked the way I handled the characters and the way there was actual character as opposed to just sick humor. Something in that made her take a chance on coming to me and asking me to come up with the idea for a show. I'm not certain whether it was with the intention of converting SQUEE! into a series -- I like to think it wasn't.

Dr. T: I understand that you came up with the idea for Invader Zim for Harrington on the spot.

JV: Pretty much, yeah. At the time, when I was asked if I had any ideas for a show I had been working on SQUEE! and had done seven Johnnys [the Homicidal Manic]. I was about to finish up SQUEE! and figured, "Yeah, it's time to do something different." That night after I had the initial conversation where I had said, "Sure, I'll try to think up something," I just sat there in bed -- didn't sleep, just sat there thinking -- and came up with the basic idea for the show; Zim being the outcast alien who just doesn't see himself as anything but the greatest creature ever to exist. Zim, Dib and Gaz pretty much came full-formed and the rest of the show just built around it. The whole idea came that one night, in just about an hour or so.

Dr. T: I notice that in SQUEE! there are a few stories featuring malevolent but totally incompetent aliens. Was that sort of the jumping-off point for you?

JV: Oh, yeah, I love that! I love the idea of anything that's considered to be a superior being -- they've got all this amazing technology -- and yet ultimately they're still just idiots! They're just guys piloting this gigantic spaceship. You get the idea that they stole it rather than built it themselves. They haven't evolved beyond being driven by their personalities. That's what Zim is. He's got this incredible arsenal at his hand and the only thing that's stopping him from destroying the Earth is the fact that he's a moron! Anyone else in that position, there would be no show because Earth would be destroyed in the first episode! It's more fun working with Zim as an idiot.







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So I met this guy in college, and he asked me if I had seen Invader Zim. I just stared blankly, and said "no, why?" Well, he had a plethora of episodes downloaded on his computer. I watched a few, and got hooked. Hook, line, and anvil. They were great!! Of course I was disturbed, but I chuckled like a maniac every time. Organs was by far the most detestable work of genius I had ever seen. However, my addiciton to Zim bled into other areas of Vasquez's work. This past summer I was sitting around, musing about my life and how slow things get in the summer when a friend dropped JTHM in my lap. Talk about a God send. I found myself liking Johnny, against all reason, and agreeing with the mundane stupidity of our society. However, I read SQUEE! and when I came to Wobbly Headed Bob, and latched on to his ravings about superiority and supreme intelect, it hit me like a sledgehammer to the cranium: he was a moron. He only thought he was superior, just like Zim. He was self-sabatoging and infectiously unhappy. Good intentions, but the wires got scrambled. Then I laughed, and laughed. Cause you kinda like the creepy, crawly, depraved imaginings in ink laid out beofre you. All I can say is, keep it coming, and let those good heads roll!
Bunny Norton (not verified) | Wed, 10/30/2002 - 01:00 | Permalink
I THINK JHONEN IS THE MOST CREATIVE MIND OUT THERE. EVER SINCE I FIRST SAW INVADER ZIM I HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY JHONEN. I HAVE ALL OF HIS WORKS. I FEEL BAD ABOUT WHAT NICKELODEON DID TO ZIM. I AM ALSO AN ARTIST AND HOPE TO ONE DAY WORK WITH JHONEN. I DREW ON AND OFF FOR YEARS BUT EVER SINCE I WAS INTRODUCED TO JHONEN BRAND OF THINKING I HAVE DRAWN NON-STOP. I ALSO HAVE A COMIC (BINX) AND WHEN IT GETS UP AND RUNNING I WISH TO WORK WITH JHONEN. I HAVE A WEB PAGE TO VOICE MYSELF. http://hometown.aol.com/invaderzim007/myhomepage/profile.html IF JHONEN EVER WANTED TO GET OTHER OF HIS CREATIONS MADE INTO A CARTOON I BET THAT CARTOON-NETWORK WOULD DO IT. ALSO, HE SHOULD MAKE HIS WORK INTO MADE FOR TV MOVIES OR HE COULD EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING HIS STUFF INTO AN ACTUAL BIG SCREEN CARTOON. PLEASE E-MAIL ME BACK.
ZIM (NICK NAME) GLEESON (not verified) | Wed, 10/09/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
jhonen is one of my favourite artist/writers of all time and i've read most of his wor that has been published in australia. oh man i'm still laughing!
grumsica mcshnee (not verified) | Wed, 10/09/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
I love the show Invader Zim. Before it came out I never really liked stations that aired on cable TV. Sure, it's was all cool and stuff when I watched some at a friends house, but I never had it in my own house until I moved to the town limits of oblivan Population: Yanks. But then I started watching Zim and I started thinking of things a little differently. Later on I got into fanfiction and that's how my character, Miz Zag, came into being. And I started using my planet Uvac, which before I watched Zim, only used as a counterworld for my paranormal pixie demons. You might say (actually you WOULD say) that Jhonen and Zim have inspired the more vivid bit of my writing career and brought out my more creative side. I am Miz Zag.
Miz (not verified) | Wed, 10/02/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
i must say that Nick. has not had a cartoon worth watching since Ren and STimpy. but low and behold one day i'm mindless flipping channels and i see IZ. i was in aww that i have found the coolest cartoon ever. it was its own style, and had a smart/sick hummor to it. But no suprise that the jerks at Nick have desided to remove IZ, the only excuse that i can think of for such a stupid move is because they are a bunch of (insert naughty word here) idoits. however, to avoid the rath of zim lovers everywhere they should move the cartoon to mtv (since they own nick), where Zim can freely do as he pleases in his sick own way! lov ya johnen!!! :)
liz (not verified) | Sun, 09/22/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
BEGINNING, ID LIKE TO STATE THAT NICKELODEON RAPES AND DESECRATES EVERYHTING GOOD. MY CHILDHOOD WAS REN AND STIMPY AND ROCKOS MODERN LIFE BASED....THEN IT WENT AWAY. THEY WERENT THE BEST SHOWS BUT A LITTLE SICK HUMO AND A LITTLE DISGUST GOES A LONG WAY FOR A KID.NOW..CANCELLING ZIM EH? BASTARDS!!!FEEL MY VOLUPTUOS CHESSE DOODLE!!!!!!I CANT EVEN LOSE MY MIND AN FURTHER BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE. ZIM BARELY EVEN HAS A CHANCE TO ENTERTAIN MY SICK LITTLE EXISTANCE. EVERY TIME I SEE IT LISTED...ASS UGLY MARTIANS COME ON. WHAT A RIPOFF.OK SORY I HAD TO COMPLAIN. ANYWAYS, IN OTHER NEWS. MR. VASQUEZ, ID LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT TO CREATE JOHNNY,SQUEE,ZIM,I FEEL SICK, ALL OF WHICH ARE QUITE THE ENTERTAINMENT TO THE FEW OF US LEFT WHICH HAVE THOUGHT PATTERNS OF THE INTELIGENT NATURE OUT HERE IN GEORGIA.I MYSELF AM AN ARTIST . NOT VERY RENOWNED OR ANYTHING BUT I TRY. IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR WORK SUCH AS YOURS FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW AND FINALLY ITS HERE. YES WE GEORGIA PEOPLE STAY IN THE DARK FOR SOME TIME.BUT ANYWHO, THANKS FOR THE INSPERATION. DONT LET OUR WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS , ''THE CRITICS AND GUIDANCES'' WIN. KEEP DRAWING AN DISTURBIBNG THE MINDS OF OUR NATION. GOOD LUCK.....BRANDON
brandon dudley (not verified) | Thu, 08/29/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
I must say that never have i read an interveiw that was so indepth about the very origin of Zim. Jhonen's creativity and motivation comes from within, some thing hard to find now days. Especially the reoccuring theme of the mistreatment of others, which of course points to trama similar to what i went through through school. Feel free to E-mail me if your appriciate the complexity and professionalism of Zim. Hell, you can e-mail me for no damn reason at all if you want.
Gumbi (not verified) | Mon, 08/26/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
AHHHH! I love Jhonen. I have never even seen him, except for his cameo in "invader zim" I wonder how he feels about the cancellation of his show. I certainly think that nickelodeon is a pain. They say that they are cancelling the show due do graphic violence, and then they go off and tell all of his adoring fans that they are gonna make him die in the last episode. The Jerks. Where do they get off? Jhonen has a great mind. He isn't like all the other cartoon creators out there. Jhonen thinks for himself, and he is creative, and Imaginative. He is so great. It sounds like he's been ripped off. If you read this Jhonen, I am sorry!!! Check out my Zim site. http://invaderbuz.tripod.com
Leah Vanderpool (not verified) | Thu, 08/08/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
i really really really like your work.....it gives me something to do before i TRY falling asleep..:) so im wondering why did they cancel IZ?
Melissa Merino (not verified) | Wed, 07/17/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink
Jhonen has really influenced my artistic view on life. Johnny kinda made me think about life, and how I'm going to die some horrible death. There was struggle, and question. I've been drawing since I was five, and I've always dreamt of making my own comic one day. I don't know if I'll ever achieve that dream, but I intend to try.
Nick Shogun (not verified) | Sat, 07/06/2002 - 00:00 | Permalink

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