“When Cartoons Were Cartoony:” John Kricfalusi Presents

Dr. Toon interviews John Kricfalusi about his favorite cartoons, which have inspired the Ren & Stimpy creator's forthcoming screening series at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood, California.
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After "What Pee Boners are For" we're going to show "Stimpy's Pregnant." This is another historic event from Spumco because it's the first full, on-screen live animated childbirth. The 600 people in the Egyptian Theater will be the first 600 to witness this event. Then we're going to have a break with a question-and-answer period. By the way, Jerry Beck is going to be part of this, and John Gibson is helping us put this on, too. We're trying to lure Leonard Maltin to come in and do guest disclaimers for some of the cartoons.

After the question-and-answer period, for the real die-hard fans who want to stay to the end, we're going to run "Ren & Stimpy - Altruists," the Ren & Stimpy episode that has more jokes in it than any Ren & Stimpy in history. They're trying to help a poor widow and her handicapped child. It's a throwback to the Three Stooges; they would help people once in a while.

It was funny because you'd watch Moe just beat the crap out of Larry and Curly for five minutes and then they would hear somebody crying, and it would be some widow that's about to have her motel foreclosed. So Moe all of a sudden gets a heart! "Come on fellas, we gotta help this poor lady out!" They do something nice but Moe continues to beat the crap out of everybody! It's hilarious. That's what "Altruists" is about.

So that's the end of Night Number One. I really hope people don't miss the second night because that really showcases some of the most fun cartoons ever made. All made by cartoonists with no executive interference and they all scream with pure joy. I'll show all the classic cartoons, but we'll run a couple of Ren & Stimpys. I'll have a print of "Big House Blues," the uncut one that is the real pilot for Ren & Stimpy. That one was fully animated between Spumco in L.A. and Bob Jacques' and Kelly Armstrong's Carbunkle in Vancouver. It was inked at Bardel Studios in Vancouver.

It's got some of the best animation you'll ever see in the series because it wasn't really made for TV, it was just made for all of us to prove ourselves. That cartoon is full of influences from Bob Clampett, and I'm then going to explain what I ripped off for "Big House Blues."

DT: Do you want to talk about that now or save it for the show?

JK: I could tell you now. One of the main things you see in Ren & Stimpy is that all of a sudden the backgrounds disappear and you get these weird, blotchy backgrounds. That came from Baby Bottleneck, a Clampett cartoon that has practically no backgrounds. Once the story gets going there are only color cards. There's a scene where a machine hits Daffy Duck on the head with a tiny hammer and his head warps and starts bouncing all over the place. As it's doing that the background cards flash different colors. I was amazed - that's the first time I'd ever seen that done and I thought, "I've got to steal that!" Then I took it further by adding weird spots to the backgrounds.

That sort of evolved through the Ren & Stimpy series. When a character experienced different emotions we would change the background. Visually we would follow the characters' emotions to where the designs would change in the cartoons according to what they felt - not just they way the characters looked but the way the backgrounds looked.

After that, the cartoons I really want to show are the classic cartoons, because to me the cartoons made from the 1930s to the 1950s are the best ever made. So, in rough order, I want to show a couple of early Fleischer cartoons. Swing You Sinners (1930) is a Bimbo cartoon. It's exactly what a cartoon should be. The story is just, Bimbo's in a graveyard, and all the spooks come out. The music just builds and builds — there's a great momentum to the cartoon that keeps building until it gets completely insane at the end. When you look at Sinners you've got to compare it to what you've seen from Walt Disney in that time period.

It's beyond me how Mickey Mouse or Walt Disney ever became a success. Disney must have been the blandest human on the planet, it's like he was from another century. When you look at Disney's early cartoons they're the blandest things in the world. Then you see what Fleischer was doing, it's just leagues ahead of Disney.







Comments


oYHKmEw (not verified) | Sun, 08/28/2011 - 22:06 | Permalink
John Kricfalusi wrote a tremendous tribute to me in one of your issues. I live in Greece now where someone had sent it to me. John, thanks! I'm still involved with color, doing architectural designing for Hilton hotels and for cruiseship. Curiously enough, a client said "Nobody uses color the way Lozzi does." Would like to hear from you. art lozzi
ART (Arminio) LOZZI (not verified) | Mon, 10/17/2005 - 00:00 | Permalink
sir, which was your starting point to start making cartons. i mean when you started making cartoon animation series and what was your first job ofered to you. and how you reached on this position please tell me about you from start.
saurabh kashyap (not verified) | Thu, 05/26/2005 - 00:00 | Permalink
While Kricfalusi has a well rehearsed sense of animation history, his choices for best cartoons and his own "creative" content illustrate his obsessions with issues of race, gender, and sexual orientation. Coal Black, and other films of that ilk, clearly speak of societal values held in a past gone era, values which American society should not be proud of; values which devalue non-whites and non-males. While he speaks of valuing change, his films do not reflect that value. Kricfalusi, in my opinion, is emotionally reacting, via his medium, to postmodernism, to racial tolerance and integration, to gender equality, and to choice in sexual orientation. His "agenda" however, backfires. A screening of "Boo Boo Runs Wild" at the UCLA School of Theater, Film and Digital Media in 1999 for graduate students elicited comments such a "There is so much gay tension in that film", and "He MUST be a closet homosexual". While I ardently defend his right to say it, I do not agree with his evaluation of how the world is, or how it should be. I cringe at the thought of him making "educational films" in a medium that is traditionally perceived of as targeting children as an audience, and I abhor his attitude (arrogance?) about knowing what is "true, good and right", when in actuality, he might not know any of those things. Don't misunderstand me, Kricfausi is an amazing draftsman and his sense of timing is second to none. I learned a great deal about animation timing when I worked for him, but my year at his studio was one of the most conflict laden and tense years in my life. I learned nothing about how to become a "better person" as a result of our interactions. But then, that just says something about my own values, and I should have know that before I took the job.
Fred Cabella (not verified) | Wed, 11/03/2004 - 01:00 | Permalink
I would love to see this in Australia. Any chance? I saw John Kricfalusi when he came to Sydney to present a showing of "Man's Best Friend" and some other 'Ren and Stimpy' cartoons at the Museum of Contemporary Art. The place was packed!
Steven Cateris (not verified) | Sat, 10/23/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
I love the work and the show rocks
drew kingsley (not verified) | Wed, 09/29/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
I have a question. What are you asking exactly, or more to the point--suggesting? "Why do show new Ren & Stimpy cartoons?" That doesn't make any sense in more than one way. Try asking that question again with a little more thought. But if what you're implying is what I am understanding, Ren Stimpy were epic--and always will be. You may have your own opinion, it's a free country (for the most part). But if the Simpsons had only do one show, it tragedy would be. Now, see if can you guess what I'm implying or more to the point--asking.
Ryan Richmond (not verified) | Mon, 09/27/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
John K. & Spumco Artists in person at Petition signing party Sat Sept. 11 John Kricfalusi (K.), and his cohorts from Spumco will be appearing in person Sat. Sept. 11 at 3PM at Golden Apple (7711 Melrose Ave.) to host a “Petition Signing Party”. John is trying to convince the powers that be at Spike TV to authorize new episodes of the “Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon”. The “Party” will include autographs, free mini-posters commemorating the event and declaring the petition signors “undying love and devotion” to Ren & Stimpy, screening of unaired and preview episodes, lively and rabble rousin’ Q&A, self aggrandizing speeches and surprise guests. For more information, go to: http://www.goldenapplecomics.com/upcoming.html Contact: Bill Liebowitz, Golden Apple (323) 658-6047
Bill Liebowitz (not verified) | Mon, 09/06/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
I have a question. Why do show new Ren & Stimpy cartoons?
Kylie Paton (not verified) | Fri, 09/03/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink

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