“When Cartoons Were Cartoony:” John Kricfalusi Presents

Dr. Toon interviews John Kricfalusi about his favorite cartoons, which have inspired the Ren & Stimpy creator's forthcoming screening series at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood, California.
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DT: That was his second appearance, right? He first showed up in "Robin Hoek" as a sheriff, right?

JK: Yeah, and he was in "Dog Show." Right after "Man's Best Friend" we're going to have a little intermission, a sort of question-and-answer period. After that we're coming back with "Boo Boo Runs Wild." That's very rarely seen, and I don't know why they don't run the hell out of that because every time I run it in a movie theater people go crazy. It's got that great "Ultimate Fighting" scene at the end where he beats the living crap out of Ranger Smith — who doesn't want to see that?

I'd been drawing Hanna-Barbera caricatures ever since I was a kid. In fact, I used to do all these wacky caricatures of Ed Benedict's style. Ed's the greatest, one of my big heroes of all time. I showed them to (Cartoon Network's) Mike Lazzo and Fred Seibert. They both loved them and said, "We gotta make some cartoons like this." That was a life's dream. I didn't think there was any way in hell that somebody would let you monkey with their trademarks. I don't know why they didn't build a series on that.

By now we could have made 122 episodes! I'd never run out of stories for those characters. The early Hanna-Barbera characters had so much ingrained in them; they had Ed Benedict's great designs, great voices by Daws Butler, Don Messick, Jean Vander Pyl, Janet Waldo, Mel Blanc, Bea Benaderet, all those great people.

The one thing about Hanna-Barbera, though — they never took it far enough. They had all the ingredients in their earlier cartoons, but I guess it must have been their system; they didn't really have a director system. Had they given that raw material to powerful directors like Bob Clampett or Tex Avery, they really could have done something with them! I love those cartoons and I still watch them to this day. They're very conservative, yet very solid in character development and design. If somebody would let me, I would just keep making Hanna-Barbera cartoons forever. There's something about the first three years of the Hanna-Barbera cartoons that feel really good.

The first season of The Flintstones was great. It had Ed Benedict's designs, it had Walter Clinton's layouts and Art Lozzi's absolutely amazing backgrounds. He used more subtle, more harmonious colors Lozzi was an unsung hero and not too many people know about him. There was a guy who later became head of the background department named (Fernando) Montealegre. His colors were real garish, all pink, bright purple and fluorescent colors; I've never really liked that. Most cartoons you see today still have garish color; they're pink, purple, and green. Genndy Tartakovsky's cartoons are exceptions — they have great color.

After the Hanna-Barbera tribute we're going to show an episode of "Weekend Pussy Hunt" that no one has ever seen, episode 12, the one that never made it to Icebox. After that we're going to show an educational cartoon. People don't know that side of me. Not only do I want to make people sick to their stomachs when they watch cartoons, but I also want to better them! So we're going to run "What Pee Boners Are For" because I know everyone's wondered that and this cartoon explains it. The cartoon stars Slab and Ernie, George Liquor's little nephews. It's designed and drawn by Aaron Springer and I, and AnnMarie McCarty — who'll also be at the show — did the Flash animation. Her and I created Flash animation back in late 1996, and the first cartoons appeared on the Internet in 1997.

MSN had contacted us saying they wanted to start a network online. I had the same idea only I didn't know how to do it because I didn't know of any technology that would allow for animation. They told me that there was this new animation technology called Flash but it wasn't really being used for animation, it was being used for banner ads. MSN said, "Why don't you try making cartoons with it?" By coincidence, AnnMarie had appeared at the doors of Spumco about a week earlier looking for a job. She met with Kevin Kolde, the founder of Spumco and told him all about Flash.

AnnMarie was a huge fan of mine, knew every one of my characters, even the ones that had only appeared in comicbooks. Kevin told me to call her because she knows how to do Flash. We believed that we could make cartoons with it, so we started working on The Goddam George Liquor Program. All the techniques we pioneered on George Liquor and Weekend Pussy Hunt are now in use not only on the Internet, but on television.







Comments


oYHKmEw (not verified) | Sun, 08/28/2011 - 22:06 | Permalink
John Kricfalusi wrote a tremendous tribute to me in one of your issues. I live in Greece now where someone had sent it to me. John, thanks! I'm still involved with color, doing architectural designing for Hilton hotels and for cruiseship. Curiously enough, a client said "Nobody uses color the way Lozzi does." Would like to hear from you. art lozzi
ART (Arminio) LOZZI (not verified) | Mon, 10/17/2005 - 00:00 | Permalink
sir, which was your starting point to start making cartons. i mean when you started making cartoon animation series and what was your first job ofered to you. and how you reached on this position please tell me about you from start.
saurabh kashyap (not verified) | Thu, 05/26/2005 - 00:00 | Permalink
While Kricfalusi has a well rehearsed sense of animation history, his choices for best cartoons and his own "creative" content illustrate his obsessions with issues of race, gender, and sexual orientation. Coal Black, and other films of that ilk, clearly speak of societal values held in a past gone era, values which American society should not be proud of; values which devalue non-whites and non-males. While he speaks of valuing change, his films do not reflect that value. Kricfalusi, in my opinion, is emotionally reacting, via his medium, to postmodernism, to racial tolerance and integration, to gender equality, and to choice in sexual orientation. His "agenda" however, backfires. A screening of "Boo Boo Runs Wild" at the UCLA School of Theater, Film and Digital Media in 1999 for graduate students elicited comments such a "There is so much gay tension in that film", and "He MUST be a closet homosexual". While I ardently defend his right to say it, I do not agree with his evaluation of how the world is, or how it should be. I cringe at the thought of him making "educational films" in a medium that is traditionally perceived of as targeting children as an audience, and I abhor his attitude (arrogance?) about knowing what is "true, good and right", when in actuality, he might not know any of those things. Don't misunderstand me, Kricfausi is an amazing draftsman and his sense of timing is second to none. I learned a great deal about animation timing when I worked for him, but my year at his studio was one of the most conflict laden and tense years in my life. I learned nothing about how to become a "better person" as a result of our interactions. But then, that just says something about my own values, and I should have know that before I took the job.
Fred Cabella (not verified) | Wed, 11/03/2004 - 01:00 | Permalink
I would love to see this in Australia. Any chance? I saw John Kricfalusi when he came to Sydney to present a showing of "Man's Best Friend" and some other 'Ren and Stimpy' cartoons at the Museum of Contemporary Art. The place was packed!
Steven Cateris (not verified) | Sat, 10/23/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
I love the work and the show rocks
drew kingsley (not verified) | Wed, 09/29/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
I have a question. What are you asking exactly, or more to the point--suggesting? "Why do show new Ren & Stimpy cartoons?" That doesn't make any sense in more than one way. Try asking that question again with a little more thought. But if what you're implying is what I am understanding, Ren Stimpy were epic--and always will be. You may have your own opinion, it's a free country (for the most part). But if the Simpsons had only do one show, it tragedy would be. Now, see if can you guess what I'm implying or more to the point--asking.
Ryan Richmond (not verified) | Mon, 09/27/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
John K. & Spumco Artists in person at Petition signing party Sat Sept. 11 John Kricfalusi (K.), and his cohorts from Spumco will be appearing in person Sat. Sept. 11 at 3PM at Golden Apple (7711 Melrose Ave.) to host a “Petition Signing Party”. John is trying to convince the powers that be at Spike TV to authorize new episodes of the “Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon”. The “Party” will include autographs, free mini-posters commemorating the event and declaring the petition signors “undying love and devotion” to Ren & Stimpy, screening of unaired and preview episodes, lively and rabble rousin’ Q&A, self aggrandizing speeches and surprise guests. For more information, go to: http://www.goldenapplecomics.com/upcoming.html Contact: Bill Liebowitz, Golden Apple (323) 658-6047
Bill Liebowitz (not verified) | Mon, 09/06/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink
I have a question. Why do show new Ren & Stimpy cartoons?
Kylie Paton (not verified) | Fri, 09/03/2004 - 00:00 | Permalink

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